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[Marks DTM Calib]

The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. 

It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". 

Er...it is cheap.

The port mirroring function is on just about all packet based systems and can create a copy of a traffic path and forward it to any specified port.....so other than the need to pay for an additional VPN is zero/very low cost.

The kit required to then inspect the data is nothing more than a PC.

They cant do it for everyone and they would not want to.

For me, I could not care less, its already been happening (and deep down we know that) and i have nothing to hide.

[tigers_gonads]

The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. 

It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". 

Er...it is cheap.

The port mirroring function is on just about all packet based systems and can create a copy of a traffic path and forward it to any specified port.....so other than the need to pay for an additional VPN is zero/very low cost.

The kit required to then inspect the data is nothing more than a PC.

They cant do it for everyone and they would not want to.

For me, I could not care less, its already been happening (and deep down we know that) and i have nothing to hide.

Exactly 

[Nickbat]

The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. 

It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". 

Er...it is cheap.

The port mirroring function is on just about all packet based systems and can create a copy of a traffic path and forward it to any specified port.....so other than the need to pay for an additional VPN is zero/very low cost.

The kit required to then inspect the data is nothing more than a PC.

They cant do it for everyone and they would not want to.

For me, I could not care less, its already been happening (and deep down we know that) and i have nothing to hide.

Exactly 

It's not a question of having "nothing to hide".

It's a question of privacy. Once this law is passed there is no way to ensure that a future administration may not use it to snoop on political opponents, either nationally or at a local level. Besides which, I have nothing to hide, but I'll be damned if I'll approve of some civil servant reading my emails. 

[tigers_gonads]

The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. 

It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". 

Er...it is cheap.

The port mirroring function is on just about all packet based systems and can create a copy of a traffic path and forward it to any specified port.....so other than the need to pay for an additional VPN is zero/very low cost.

The kit required to then inspect the data is nothing more than a PC.

They cant do it for everyone and they would not want to.

For me, I could not care less, its already been happening (and deep down we know that) and i have nothing to hide.

Exactly 

It's not a question of having "nothing to hide".

It's a question of privacy. Once this law is passed there is no way to ensure that a future administration may not use it to snoop on political opponents, either nationally or at a local level. Besides which, I have nothing to hide, but I'll be damned if I'll approve of some civil servant reading my emails. 

Understand what your saying but where would YOU draw the line ?

[Rods2]

You have nothing to hide, all of us on here at some point in the future may have to be very careful what we say about the EU, as xenophobia laws have been proposed by the EU in the past and may well be considered necessary to help "the project" in the future. The first thing you will know will be when the police are on your doorstep with an EU arrest warrant. 

Our freedoms and particularly freedom of speech is being steadily eroded under the banners of not causing offence to minorities as we have seen with that student who got 56 days. Now I don't agree with what he said and think it was in very bad taste, but that does not mean he should not have the right to say it, if we had true freedom of speech. I'm sure he would have got the message with the replies society as a whole would of sent him on his highly inappropriate comments.

There are many laws in the EU which we don't have in this country, like xenophobia and denial of the holocaust, which some UK citizens have already fallen foul of. Now as this is a public forum, are you aware of all the laws in EU countries and the USA to make sure you don't fall foul of them? I'm certainly not. 

The US border agency already monitor Facebook and Twitter accounts for key words and several UK citizens that have written things in jest have been denied visas, where they have triggered their key word surveillance systems.

What has this got to do with the security forces, well the more access to data they have and the sharing of that information with different countries security forces, the more likely we all are to unknowingly come unstuck from what we write in the public or private domains. 1984 is rapidly arriving.

[cem_devecioglu]

You have nothing to hide, all of us on here at some point in the future may have to be very careful what we say about the EU, as xenophobia laws have been proposed by the EU in the past and may well be considered necessary to help "the project" in the future. The first thing you will know will be when the police are on your doorstep with an EU arrest warrant. 

Our freedoms and particularly freedom of speech is being steadily eroded under the banners of not causing offence to minorities as we have seen with that student who got 56 days. Now I don't agree with what he said and think it was in very bad taste, but that does not mean he should not have the right to say it, if we had true freedom of speech. I'm sure he would have got the message with the replies society as a whole would of sent him on his highly inappropriate comments.

There are many laws in the EU which we don't have in this country, like xenophobia and denial of the holocaust, which some UK citizens have already fallen foul of. Now as this is a public forum, are you aware of all the laws in EU countries and the USA to make sure you don't fall foul of them? I'm certainly not. 

The US border agency already monitor Facebook and Twitter accounts for key words and several UK citizens that have written things in jest have been denied visas, where they have triggered their key word surveillance systems.

What has this got to do with the security forces, well the more access to data they have and the sharing of that information with different countries security forces, the more likely we all are to unknowingly come unstuck from what we write in the public or private domains. 1984 is rapidly arriving.

facebook servers cost are already paid by CIA
 

[feeutfo]

Clearly the polotics clique are up to something, complete paranoia about unederlying govt ethics in place since pre WW2. (awaits "predictable post" comments)

I have no problem with national security what so ever. Personal privacy is ALWAYS going to suffer if in this light. If individuals can't see the predictability of that, well....

But as said, a massive own goal bringing it to public attention....there in lies the real govt. failing.

[TheBoy]

The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. 

It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". 

Er...it is cheap.

The port mirroring function is on just about all packet based systems and can create a copy of a traffic path and forward it to any specified port.....so other than the need to pay for an additional VPN is zero/very low cost.

The kit required to then inspect the data is nothing more than a PC.

They cant do it for everyone and they would not want to.

For me, I could not care less, its already been happening (and deep down we know that) and i have nothing to hide.

Indeed, even the cheap router sat handling all the packets for the OOF server has port mirroring capability.

Actually, even my first gigabit switch had it - an 8 port, sub £100 cheapo bought around 8 or 9yrs ago (and long since replaced with a larger one, which oddly does not do it!).

[TheBoy]

Clearly the polotics clique are up to something, complete paranoia about unederlying govt ethics in place since pre WW2. (awaits "predictable post" comments)

I have no problem with national security what so ever. Personal privacy is ALWAYS going to suffer if in this light. If individuals can't see the predictability of that, well....

But as said, a massive own goal bringing it to public attention....there in lies the real govt. failing.

Suspect it started out as a valid request by those needing it to monitor specific people quickly, "24" style, but then got passed into the civil service and then ministers, so is probably nothing like what it was envisaged.  And because ministers are all self-centred pillocks, they try to shout it from the rooftops, "look at me".


I know the technology is mostly in place already, this was just to do what they have been able to do previously, but more dynamically