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[cem_devecioglu]

I would tend to agree with that.As sure as god made green apples,the Arab spring will bite the west on the arse. The vacuum created by the removal of the tyrannical regimes will be filled by Muslim fundamentalists who will create havoc in years to come imo.

BANG ON !!   
 
 
 

[cem_devecioglu]

We need to mind our own fickin business. If I lived in Moscow and I decided to sing anti-Putin songs from the altar of a cathedral, I would expect no less than to be shot. The world does not revolve around GB/US and pretty soon China/ Brazil/Russia etc will be in a position to tell us to eff off or they'll call their debts in.

If you lived in the time of Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev you would have been...........and then they would have strung you up by your gonads for good measure.......and then they would have shot Mrs STMO......and her mother....and the dog

However, that was then and this is now.

Not a big fan of Putin. Old Gorby was much more enlightened.

cant agree Opti.. he was nothing more than a miserable  merchant who announced its bankruptcy
 
he was in a position to lead the country not tear it into pieces   any random picked man on the russian street could do that..
 
god knows how many families are parted and deprived and how many russian woman are forced to prostitution inside/outside the country..
and sharks quickly share the russian market and many things.. I hope god forgive him

[Rods2]

DD I couldn't find any rioting pussies, just a sporting one from an un-televised new Olympic Sport. 

You will need a youtube account to view as age restricted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoAbYmMU-PU&o

[Dishevelled Den]

DD I couldn't find any rioting pussies, just a sporting one from an un-televised new Olympic Sport. 

You will need a youtube account to view as age restricted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoAbYmMU-PU&o

  with such accuracy, that pussy undoubtedly had a very good eye.

[Vamps]

Russia and Ukraine are somewhat more religious countries than the UK and I'm sure many people were very offended by this blasphemous act as we were when a student urinated on one of our war memorials. Considering the different moral values in Russia, I personally don't think the sentences were unreasonable. I sure if the Beatles and done a similar thing in the 1950's they would have received a similar sentence.

Their societies are much more conformist than ours and although a large percentage of men and women both work as a rule outside of work men are expected to act as men and women as women. Women are proud of their looks, styling and dress sense and being able to cook well for their husbands and create a 'cozy' house. Where here the media (especially the BBC) publicize women trying to act as men and men expected to express their sensitive feminine side. Personally I prefer their role model and feel more comfortable in such a society. 

Ukrainian democracy is very different to the UK where in some areas they are more amenable to major changes in policy than here, like when they were debating a new tax code which would have increased the taxes and reduced the benefits of being self-employed. A few evenings of well behaved peaceful demonstrations in Kiev by large numbers of self employed showed the depth of the peoples feeling, so the president dropped the changes.

If you are out to provoke the government and its authority then they will act in a more forceful manner than they probably will in the UK (unless your peacefully demonstrate at a UK Labour party conference), but different countries, different cultures, different values. How different is this to Singapore and other Asian democracies?

I think the media and left wing activists like to create a storm as soon as a societies values are different to ours by trying to take the moral high ground and saying our values are automatically right therefore theirs must be wrong. This is very ill-liberal and ill-tolerant in not respecting their values which are just as valid (and IMHO in many cases better) instead of accepting different societies have different moral views and those societies tolerances and views should be respected. After all this is what makes societies culturally different.

Imagine if they had done this at a holy place in Mecca as a protest at the Saudi Arabian ruling elite there.  I think they would of been praying every night to just get 2 years and would have accepted that with relief even if had meant sharing a cell with DD. 

Well said.....

[Dishevelled Den]

Russia and Ukraine are somewhat more religious countries than the UK and I'm sure many people were very offended by this blasphemous act as we were when a student urinated on one of our war memorials. Considering the different moral values in Russia, I personally don't think the sentences were unreasonable. I sure if the Beatles and done a similar thing in the 1950's they would have received a similar sentence.//....

Yes I would certainly agree with that.

Given the current climate there this was an ill-advised act at best - although I'm more inclined to think it an indulgent display of excessive behaviour perpetrated in a place and in a way designed to cause the most offence and garner the maximum amount of publicity.

[cem_devecioglu]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_did_mikhail_Gorbachev_do_for_the_soviet_union