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Re: Digital Camera ...
« Reply #45 on: 03 September 2012, 21:23:20 »

OK, my bro's camera suffers a depth of field issue, and the CCD is clearly substandard (worth noting that 'camera' camera manufacturers are reducing megapixels on top end compacts to reduce noise).

This camera alone would be enough for me not to buy Panasonic, and seeing the ones posted above, confirms that. My 8yr old Canon outperforms it on all counts, except zooming.
Its getting collected tomorrow for refund this was just a last pic  :y
Last actually didn't look that bad. Don't know what the original full size one was like zoomed up?
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Re: Digital Camera ...
« Reply #46 on: 03 September 2012, 21:25:48 »

Although looking at embedded data, exposure time is very long, and film speed is fast, so I guess zoomed in, it will be blury.
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Re: Digital Camera ...
« Reply #47 on: 03 September 2012, 22:32:31 »

Although looking at embedded data, exposure time is very long, and film speed is fast, so I guess zoomed in, it will be blury.
To be honest the TZ30 is just OK for the price. I find that my iPhone 4S takes almost just as good pictures... But with the iPhone being more of a useful multi-tool id say its not worth keeping this camera when the iPhone 4S is more a less just as good... Fair enough the 4S doesn't zoom, But still not worth the price of that TZ30 imo after a week of playing with it... There are better cameras out there and probably even cheaper too..
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« Reply #48 on: 03 September 2012, 23:07:59 »

For what it's worth, I was watching one of those shopping channels the other night and they were claiming exclusive pre-release stock of the Pentax X5. Must say, I was impressed. They were offering it at £199, but that's not much different to the prices of the likes of Jessops which are taking orders for it.

It's apparently a "bridge" camera, between compact and DSLR.

Here's the link:

http://www.pentax.co.uk/en/digital-bridgecameras/X5.html

If I had the spare cash, I'd be sorely tempted.  :y 

Update: £199.99 from Amazon, due 17th September.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pentax-X5-Bridge-Camera-Optical/dp/B00911YEC4
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Re: Digital Camera ...
« Reply #49 on: 04 September 2012, 18:12:24 »

Although looking at embedded data, exposure time is very long, and film speed is fast, so I guess zoomed in, it will be blury.
To be honest the TZ30 is just OK for the price. I find that my iPhone 4S takes almost just as good pictures... But with the iPhone being more of a useful multi-tool id say its not worth keeping this camera when the iPhone 4S is more a less just as good... Fair enough the 4S doesn't zoom, But still not worth the price of that TZ30 imo after a week of playing with it... There are better cameras out there and probably even cheaper too..
Thats what I mean. Lets face it, the gayPhone has a very poor camera. No better and no worse than any of the premium smartphones, they are all poor.

The fact that you phone (ignoring zoom) is nearly as good as your Panasonic (which seems to be similar in picture quality as my bro's 14Mp Panasonic) shows how woefully bad the Panasonic compacts are.

My 8 year old 7Mp compact Canon IXUS 700 is strides ahead of both yours and my brother's, based on the pics posted here, and the photos taken of my bro doing his run.  And, to me, that doesn't sound right. Technology is supposed to have moved on.

I suspect, in order to satisfy bragging rights, rather than capability (ie, increase Mp count, nothing else matters), current consumers are ending up with, ultimately, junk.
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Re: Digital Camera ...
« Reply #50 on: 04 September 2012, 18:56:14 »

makes me smile that most people think more mega pixels equals better image quality & that is not the case. I have 5 meg images printed A3 size dotted around the house & they are fantastic, lens quality is what counts, after all thats the bit the image has to pass through to reach the chip  :y
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« Reply #51 on: 04 September 2012, 19:02:05 »

makes me smile that most people think more mega pixels equals better image quality & that is not the case. I have 5 meg images printed A3 size dotted around the house & they are fantastic, lens quality is what counts, after all thats the bit the image has to pass through to reach the chip  :y
As you know, even the best lens is only part of the story. It seems most/all consumer 14Mp CCDs are noisy as hell...
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Re: Digital Camera ...
« Reply #52 on: 04 September 2012, 20:40:57 »

makes me smile that most people think more mega pixels equals better image quality & that is not the case. I have 5 meg images printed A3 size dotted around the house & they are fantastic, lens quality is what counts, after all thats the bit the image has to pass through to reach the chip  :y


I agree with that.
I've a 16 year old geek who thinks his nokia is better then my DSLR because its got more mega pixels  ::)

I've been using a Cannon eos 300d for years.
Paid about 300 quid for it and another 300 for a 28 - 135 is lens for it  :y

It only has 6.3 mega pixels but the extra weight of the alloy body and the decient lens more then make up for the lack of pixels.

Anyway, I'm old school when it comes to photography.
I learn't on a 2nd hand Olympus Om2 which still comes out to play now and again  :)
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Re: Digital Camera ...
« Reply #53 on: 04 September 2012, 21:52:53 »

I was an early adopter of digital photograph in 2000 when the Olympus 3030 came out. At this time, this was as state of the art as it got. My current compact camera is an 5.1mp Olympus 5060 which is showing its age, but was the last of the line as DSLR cameras were making an impact at this time, and the market split into two camps.

As compact as possible digital cameras, with small sensors as the lens and cameras are far smaller and lighter for a bigger zoom range. But small high pixel sensors suffer from very high noise, the zoom optics suffer from barrel distortion and fringing. The easiest way to mask these is for the camera image processing to soften the image. Compact camera sales are falling fast, which is not surprising as IMHO they have little to offer image quality wise these days over poor phone cameras, apart from their zoom ranges.

DSLR camera are massively better, so if you want quality, this is now the only sensible route. The FX sensors used in most professional and some prosumer are the best, but the lenses are the biggest and heaviest for any zoom range. The DX consumer are not quite as good, especially on noise, but a perfectly good compromise for most people. This is what I recommend for anybody where photography is a hobby.

There are only two top makes of DSLR and these are Cannon and Nikon, with Sony being a honourable third. Top end Cannon and Nikon lenses are much of a muchness, but Nikon budget zoom lenses are generally better optically than Cannon. Cannon consumer DSLR cameras are normally better value for money than Nikon. Personally, I have gone the Nikon route as I prefer the slightly bigger size, ergonomics and slightly better build quality of Nikon cameras, but you do pay a higher price.

Cannon or Nikon? Go to a camera shop and try them out to see which you prefer as this is a personal thing on which you get on with best.

Zoom lenses are always a compromise with generally the bigger the zoom range the bigger the compromises in terms of lens resolution, distortion (normally most noticeable at both ends of the zoom range). Fixed lenses generally offer much better optical quality as there are fewer compromises and can be relatively inexpensive.

My DSLR cameras are both Nikon D80s one with 18-135 zoom lens and the other with 18-105, which was the last generation of Nikon cameras to use NMOS sensors. They are much noisier than the later generation CMOS sensors, many of which are manufactured by Sony. Where I used to do a lot of low light photography, this was a challenge. I bought the second camera second hand with the 18-105 lens which SWMBO now uses, so I had a backup when I did a friend's wedding photography.

Although the D80 it is only 10.1mp, one job I did was some portrait photography, where they were printed at almost full size for use as promotional figurines. I was worried about the quality and pixel resolution at this size and was surprised on how good the results were.

If you want to quickly test the image quality of a camera then I find a good test is an A4 sheet of text. This will show how soft the image is, by how clear the writing is and also any optical distortion.

Now if we wanted to post up the quality of different cameras on here my suggestion would be to print out a Windows printer test page, photograph it so it just fits an image, cut out a 640 x 480 section and post it here so we have some direct image comparisons. If there is interest in this, then I will post some pictures here for the for my Nikon and Olympus cameras.
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Re: Digital Camera ...
« Reply #55 on: 04 September 2012, 23:39:49 »

You can see from the information in the link below that a 1/2.3 sensor used in the Olympus SZ-31MR and the Panasonic Z230 is 8.80 x 6.60mm which gives an area of 58.08mm where as the sensor used by Nikon in DX DSLR cameras are 23.7 x 15.7mm giving an area of 372.09mm so the DX sensor has 6.41 the area, so for the same sensor resolution the Nikon will receive 6.41 times the light.

This along with the closer proximity of each pixel will mean more noise and this is a real Achilles heal of compact cameras. The lens size, quality and zoom range will mean greater compromises on image quality.

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=sensor%20sizes

Will the Olympus be better than the Panasonic TZ30, it will partly depend upon lens quality, but the Olympus has a higher pixel resolution so from this point view it will be worse, but it uses a CMOS sensor rather than the Panasonic's MOS sensor. CMOS sensors generally have lower noise levels.

The reviews I have seen rate the Olympus highly, just bare in mind that you will not get DSLR quality.

http://www.digitalversus.com/digital-camera/face-off/12685-12781-versus-table.html

http://www.digitalversus.com/digital-camera/olympus-sz-31-mr-p12781/olympus-sz-31-mr-test-shots-face-off-n24805.html
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