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Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« on: 19 October 2012, 23:22:46 »

Hi everyone, It's been very informative reading all the advice and very helpful "maintenance guides". I've already used the spark plug change for 2.6/3.2 by markjay   :)

My problem started a couple of weeks ago when the engine light came on when I was on the 4 miles to go before you have no fuel! As I was only ¼mile from fuel station I went in and put just under ½ tank in and when I restated on engine light, so I put it down to possibly gunk from bottom of tank, as I have never got quite that close to empty before!

This week the engine light flashed off and on when the car was under load going up hill and went off again, there appeared to be a miss-firing as this was going on. I phone the local garage, which is run by a rally mechanic, who has worked on cars for the last 50 years, possibly longer! I was told to bring it in when I was passing next and he would run the diagnostic on it (I've got a "My Naff Code Reader" but have lost the driver disc for it, having wiped my laptop and started with less dross installed  ::) ) on Wednesday I had to go to Llanduno and on the way home the engine light came on constantly and there was an obvious loss of power and miss-firing so I called in to the garage and waited for 45 mins while he was on the phone, before he put the diagnostic on and started her up, initially it wasn't showing a fault as it was running smoothly but after revving up to 3K it came up with Miss-Fire 2 & 4. Simple he said coil packs gone, not cheep but easy to fit!

Luckily for me I found a new unused one on eBay with a buy it now or offer. so I made an offer and (Thank you David) it was accepted and sent along with a copy of markjay's instructions after speaking with David on the phone.
So I spent 5 hours following the instructions (I've got a knackered Back which hampers things at the moment :( ) and have taken coil pack off (see picture) dried out 4 & 6 before taking plugs out of all 3 and giving them a good clean and gap checked and put back in, I didn't have any new plugs!! Once this was done and coil pack fitted, put the important parts back where they should be, but leaving the cover off the loom as I will have to do it again when or if I fit new spark plugs. Dependent on what your collective views are to the photo that I attach.

My initial thought was oh  :'( :'( :'( head gasket, although reading all the posts here it's considered to be a rare thing to occur. I have an oil leak I can't find oil light comes on every 8-1000 miles, not noticeable in the exhaust and not leaving any marks on the ground where parked. It's all over the front of the engine courtesy of the belts etc, the coolant level is the same as its been for the past 14 months. Prior to I had a largish water leaking problem that turned out to be a leaking Vacuum heater control valve and that took some finding! So I'm thinking more hoping that that may account for the state of the coil pack


Slight problem can't attach the photo  :-[  will post and attach when I find out how!

(Incidentally, I also copper-slipped the thread and put in with extension bar on plug socket, having been taught to turn anticlockwise until you feel the thread dip down then gently start putting back, with markjay's note of any more than finger pressure and you are looking at crossing the threads)   


Thanks for your time reading this rather long winded account


Paul
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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #1 on: 19 October 2012, 23:32:34 »

Hi Paul and welcome to the forum  :y
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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #2 on: 19 October 2012, 23:34:21 »

Welcome Paul  :y Wonder if its rocker covers leaking mate as that more common-and putting pics on this forum is so hard i personaly cant be bothered with how hard it is compared to rodsnsods or rover owners mate so you not alone there.
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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #3 on: 19 October 2012, 23:35:09 »

Head gasket failure on 2.6/3.2 isnt rare,its completely unheard of. :y
Was there any oil in the plug wells when you took the coil packs out ?
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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #4 on: 19 October 2012, 23:40:13 »

Funny thing is I am doing my covers tommorow because mine have started to leak-going to be busy for a while pity i cant go shopping with mrs eh :y :y
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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #5 on: 20 October 2012, 00:37:51 »

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Was there any oil in the plug wells when you took the coil packs out ?

No there wasn't any oil in the wells just the water.

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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #6 on: 20 October 2012, 00:42:38 »

Water may well be leaking from the scuttle panel down into the plug wells (a common problem). This would cause arcing around the coil packs & plugs and will cause a misfire and lack of power.
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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #7 on: 20 October 2012, 06:45:15 »

 ;) Welcome and hopefully the oofers can help you out!
I too would have a looky at the cam covers and whether there is any pooling in the spark plug wells. Oil or water has the same effect.
The fuel tank is a plaggy one so should not get any crap build up in it and despite how low it gets the inline fuel filter right next to it should stop any getting through. Check that fist cos they should be changed every service anyway. Many are not even though they are cheap as chips!
Head gasket......very very doubtful if you are certain that you are not losing coolant.
If there is water in the plug wells it sounds more like water has somehow ended up in them possibly due to the heavy rainfall and ploughing through it. Maybe an over enthuiastic engine clean!
Perhaps a new set of plug leads with a tight top seals again would cure it?
Looks like you will have to go through it step by step and I would start by cleaning out the plug wells and putting a new set of plug leads on. A new Dispack warrants a new set of plugs and leads too cos they have done the same amount of work.
Keep us posted on progress........
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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #8 on: 20 October 2012, 07:10:56 »

2.6 - no plug leads etc. ;)
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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #9 on: 20 October 2012, 08:24:27 »

If you are seeing just water & no oil in the plug wells, then its as Albs says its most likely water from the scuttle, the seal can around the wiper arms can leak water. Its worth a smear of white clear sealant around the base of the wiper arm, its also worth checking the foam underneath the scuttle, see what condition its in  :y
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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #10 on: 20 October 2012, 12:49:27 »

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If you are seeing just water & no oil in the plug wells, then its as Albs says its most likely water from the scuttle, the seal can around the wiper arms can leak water. Its worth a smear of white clear sealant around the base of the wiper arm, its also worth checking the foam underneath the scuttle, see what condition its in
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Water may well be leaking from the scuttle panel down into the plug wells (a common problem). This would cause arcing around the coil packs & plugs and will cause a misfire and lack of power.

This is something I considered as the foam was very wet, but thought that the seal around the coil pack would stop this.

The pic link below would agree with this I think as 6 & 4 were the worst for water around the plugs prior to drying out!

Thanks Albs and tunnie  :)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33950159@N08/8105067075/in/photostream

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Re: Is this a Head Gasket problem?
« Reply #11 on: 20 October 2012, 12:53:53 »

If the scuttle foam is wet then there is the problem, earlier when I said white sealant, i meant clear. Might be worth removing the foam to dry it out, before refitting & sealing.  :y
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