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[ted_one]

Go on...live dangerously, remember the old saying ''the truth often hurts''

[Sir Tigger KC]

i have it on good authority(i have a friend who works for vosa)that its quite common for foreign lorry drivers to have no licence at all, im sure that the lack off a cpc will not pose a problem for them

If that's the case, why the f**k are customs and excise not checking these arseholes documents when they drive off the ferry ?
They are quick enough to pull you up if you have a bottle of beer or box of fags too many 

As we are not part of the Schengen agreement area the UKBA can and do check passports on entry to the UK, however I expect (and I'm not entirely sure about this) that as the UK is part of the EU Single Market the rules do not allow the routine checking of driving licenses as that would impede free movement. 

Let's not let common sense get in the way of the European dream! 

[tigers_gonads]

because customs and excise are looking for contraband not driving licences.its also apparent that british firms employ "foreign"drivers with dodgy licences also.

Understand where your coming from but I have been asked for my licence and insurance plus passport when coming and going through Hull dock to Rotterdam / Zeebrugge 
Never questioned it or had a problem with it because i'd done nothing wrong and appreciate they had a job to do.

Whether its in there job description I don't know but if it isn't, it should be.
At the end of the day, all customs officers hold the queens warrant     

[tigers_gonads]

i have it on good authority(i have a friend who works for vosa)that its quite common for foreign lorry drivers to have no licence at all, im sure that the lack off a cpc will not pose a problem for them

If that's the case, why the f**k are customs and excise not checking these arseholes documents when they drive off the ferry ?
They are quick enough to pull you up if you have a bottle of beer or box of fags too many 

As we are not part of the Schengen agreement area the UKBA can and do check passports on entry to the UK, however I expect (and I'm not entirely sure about this) that as the UK is part of the EU Single Market the rules do not allow the routine checking of driving licenses as that would impede free movement. 

Let's not let common sense get in the way of the European dream! 

Next time i'm bringing booze and fags back, i'll tell them that we are all good Europeans and it nothing to do with them how many I bring threw 
Ok if I use your name in court ?

[Sir Tigger KC]

Let's not let common sense get in the way of the European dream! 

Next time i'm bringing booze and fags back, i'll tell them that we are all good Europeans and it nothing to do with them how many I bring threw 
Ok if I use your name in court ?

Feel free Tigers, you can also use my mate Micky Mouse's name as well if you like!! 

[sassanach]

they could stop a lot of things at the dockside easily but,and hears the rub,the port authorities are privately run, they do not want a load of dodgy lorries parked in their port clogging up their revenue stream

[tigers_gonads]

Let's not let common sense get in the way of the European dream! 

Next time i'm bringing booze and fags back, i'll tell them that we are all good Europeans and it nothing to do with them how many I bring threw 
Ok if I use your name in court ?

Feel free Tigers, you can also use my mate Micky Mouse's name as well if you like!! 

I think I know you ............... I'm not really Mr Gonads, i'm Mr D Duck 
Funny old world ain't it   

[ted_one]

I think regardless of wether these drivers hold the relevant qualifications/skills to do the job.I think if you spend any length of time on the UK roads your own eyes will provide the answers we're looking for..in general foreign trucks make me a little twitchy when it comes to an overtake and I always without exception go for the safety shot and go wide and on the motorway do it in lane 3 if available.I've had a few close calls but not always with eastern European trucks because there's such a large number of other nationalalities out there as soon as I see a non UK number plate then it's time to think about getting away from it.....yes I know I'm a chicken

[tigers_gonads]

they could stop a lot of things at the dockside easily but,and hears the rub,the port authorities are privately run, they do not want a load of dodgy lorries parked in their port clogging up their revenue stream

Very true that 
It was (shall we say in certain circles) known  that with Hull docks, you could get things threw if you knew the right person 
Google a certain haulage firm owner from Hull that got away with it for years until things changed and he got tugged 
I believe he got a good 15 years 
I'll say nothing more about this on a open forum   

[Sir Tigger KC]

I saw an Italian truck run a car off the road once... deliberately!! 

I was on the M25 driving an arctic in the inside lane and there was a car just ahead.  The Italian truck pulled out from behind me, overtook and  went to pull in ahead of me.  As he started to pull in he realised there was a car where he wanted to go so started to move out to the middle lane again, but then inexplicably he changed his mind and swerved into the inside lane forcing the car into the hard shoulder!! 

The car wasn't hit and no one was hurt (as far as I know) but I'm sure it was a case of brown pants!!! I should have stopped myself and called the Police, but decided at the time that as there was no damage done, there was little point and the Italian would be on the ferry soon anyway.....    

Why did he do it? The only answer I could think of is because the occupants of the car were black... 

[ted_one]

The way you were describing the incident with the Italian heavy I thought you were about to describe an incident about 3 years ago near J9 of the M25 when my son who was then an HGV tyre fitter was attending a call there and while he was working he heard the usual tyre and crunching metal noises which are so familar on that road.When he stood up to see what was going on he saw what turned out to be an Italian artic that had T-boned a car and was now heading directly towards him,every one ran for cover as the heavy with a very large bonnet mascot went between the rear end of the trailer he was working on and tagged the front of his van before crushing the car against the Armco injuring the people inside.My son still goes out to calls on the motorway but only if there's no one else he can send,apparently the driver of the offending truck never came back for the court date.

[Rods2]

I wonder if the many Eastern European truck drivers (who did their test in a tractor and trailer) plying our roads are doing CPC's? 

  That's a new name for a brown envelope.  Still very common in many Eastern European countries, to have no lessons, turn up for test with a brown envelope and have a full licence. This is one of the reasons why in Eastern Europe driving standards are so low.

In the Ukraine, where car ownership is going up rapidly, so are their road deaths which reached 9,424 in 2011 or 1.38% of all deaths.  This is for a far lower car ownership than the UK and a population of 43m. 

[Vamps]

I have just watched a Utube compilation road crashes, 35 minutes or so of, mostly, eastern Europe coverage, shocking driving and many so predictable I have to wonder how it happened..... Vid is from in car cameras, unbelievable lack of driving / anticipation skills.......  

[Rods2]

In 2011, there were 1901 people killed on UK roads. For a population of 63.181m and a car ownership rate of 519 / 1000.

In 2011, there were 9,424 people killed on Ukraine roads. for a population of 45.795m and car ownership rate of 173 / 1000.

So there were in 2011 32.970m cars in the UK and 7.922m in the Ukraine. A Ukraine car owner is about 20.5 more likely to be killed than one in the UK. 

Whereas with a Western made cars have many safety features, especially air bags, with the average Eastern European made car I think their main safety feature if for it to happen quickly. 

Airbags would save many lives in the Ukraine where only 'cowards' and visitors wear seat belts. 

The closest I've had over there is in Kiev. Traffic lights had just changed to green on the dual carriageway I was on and in the outside lane and as I and the car next to me crossed the intersection, there was a minor road about 10m after the intersection from block of flats, where a car containing 4 drunk youths pulled out straight in front of us, too fast so he went half in my lane, we both braked hard, so the car behind me overtook heading for the traffic coming the opposite direction and cut me and the car he would have had hit head-on with as he swerved back in. Madness.