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[Lizzie_Zoom]

'Here we go again'! Let's blame everyone 'except' ourselves. It is my generation and the ones following that are to blame. When we were kids our parents were strict, it was 'perfectly OK' to clout your kid around the head when out shopping, everyone did it. If you complained to your parents about a teacher whacking you, you were told, 'you must have done something wrong then'. Then enter my generation as parents. All of a sudden 'you must have done something wrong then' was changed to. 'They ain't going to do that to my son/daughter'. This spilled over into all walks of life. Teachers and head teachers were suddenly confronted with irate parents making threats, they had to 'back off'. This has just degenerated over the years. Kids learnt very quickly that teachers were cautious about disciplining a child, for fear of the complaining parents. Then we got to the 'kids having kids' era, which sadly, is still with us. Parents are so young that they are more interested in the pursuit of their own pleasures, rather than parenting their kids. Not all parents are 'that young', but woe betide the kids that come home and want some interaction with Dad when, he is 'playing' on the x-box, or chatting to his mate about the latest 'apps' for his phone, the graphics etc etc etc. So the kids from an early age have to sort things for themselves. Many parents cannot wait to grow up so that they can, 'act like kids'?? Rather than treat their kids as kids. "MEN"! 40 years old, 'playing' on x-boxes', it's a toy for God's sake. Witness these forum pages, the amount of posts about 'playing' with your phone, apps, graphics, Mario, etc etc. We leave our kids to 'get on with it'. Then look around for someone to blame.

All of us 'old uns' grew up in a different time, National Service was a great institution, but. There was 'full employment', how would we afford it now?

Take a few minutes break from your PS3 and check out your kids on '2FacedBook' you would be disgusted at what you read, especially from your little girl who, not so long ago was a little thing in pigtails. To me it's almost like a movement toward 'role reversal'. The girls are talking 'publicly' about getting 'smashed', fighting, screwing etc etc. But no! Let's not bother with what the kids are getting up to. 'Blimey! I just got a highest score'. 'Let the teachers and politicians sort em out'.   

+ 1. Well said old chap, I totally agree with everything you have said.  . Small observation is that I've not seen evidence of OOFers who play the online games actually having any kids. I'm sure someone will prove me wrong. I'm a grumpy old sod as well - I have a couple of "apps" on my phone. One allows me to make telephone calls and speak to people, the other allows short messages to be sent. All the rest are "dangleberries" really ........... 

+2. Absolutely spot on!

I noticed It all started in the 1970's and has got steadily worse in line with the rise of "human rights" and "free speech"

[martin42]

We have human rights,oh you mean prisoners who claim they are hard done by in prison and have sky tv,games consoles,3 meals a day,no rent or bills to pay,access to gym equipment.

[blackviper90210]

'Here we go again'! Let's blame everyone 'except' ourselves. It is my generation and the ones following that are to blame. When we were kids our parents were strict, it was 'perfectly OK' to clout your kid around the head when out shopping, everyone did it. If you complained to your parents about a teacher whacking you, you were told, 'you must have done something wrong then'. Then enter my generation as parents. All of a sudden 'you must have done something wrong then' was changed to. 'They ain't going to do that to my son/daughter'. This spilled over into all walks of life. Teachers and head teachers were suddenly confronted with irate parents making threats, they had to 'back off'. This has just degenerated over the years. Kids learnt very quickly that teachers were cautious about disciplining a child, for fear of the complaining parents. Then we got to the 'kids having kids' era, which sadly, is still with us. Parents are so young that they are more interested in the pursuit of their own pleasures, rather than parenting their kids. Not all parents are 'that young', but woe betide the kids that come home and want some interaction with Dad when, he is 'playing' on the x-box, or chatting to his mate about the latest 'apps' for his phone, the graphics etc etc etc. So the kids from an early age have to sort things for themselves. Many parents cannot wait to grow up so that they can, 'act like kids'?? Rather than treat their kids as kids. "MEN"! 40 years old, 'playing' on x-boxes', it's a toy for God's sake. Witness these forum pages, the amount of posts about 'playing' with your phone, apps, graphics, Mario, etc etc. We leave our kids to 'get on with it'. Then look around for someone to blame.

All of us 'old uns' grew up in a different time, National Service was a great institution, but. There was 'full employment', how would we afford it now?

Take a few minutes break from your PS3 and check out your kids on '2FacedBook' you would be disgusted at what you read, especially from your little girl who, not so long ago was a little thing in pigtails. To me it's almost like a movement toward 'role reversal'. The girls are talking 'publicly' about getting 'smashed', fighting, screwing etc etc. But no! Let's not bother with what the kids are getting up to. 'Blimey! I just got a highest score'. 'Let the teachers and politicians sort em out'.   

I'm sorry but that is tarnishing everyone with the same brush and unfair!!  I'm in my 40's and play my xbox. My kids do as their told, we eat meals at the table together everyday and it's bath, pjs and story time every night. Only when they've gone to bed, SWMBO gone out with friends for the evening, do I put it on.

Does that make me a terrible father or anything else for that matter?

[martin42]

^^^ im 44 have xbox,dont go on it much either,but i live on my own,so if i wanted to i could,but i dont,prefer working on the car instead 

[05omegav6]

This made a noticeable difference...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Act_1989

It was implemented in October 1991 iirc at my school. And the effect was instantaneous

Upto that point the school had a strictly enforced punishment system which generally benefited the school community as a whole, but were individually inconvenient enough to bugger your day up...

You had to report to the duty staff in PE kit at 07:30, morning break, 13:30, Low tea ( about 15 minutes after last lesson) and High Tea. After 18:45 you were then confined to your house except for official activities such as swimming. Had to remain in uniform all day, normally you would change after last lesson. You were reasonably expected to do litter picking on or around the school grounds, or a run or standing as an example, depending on what the member of staff saw fit.

1. Minor misdemeanors resulted in a Task Card. Report as above for twentyfour hours from issue. Card had to be signed each time.

2. Daily Detention, as 1. but included an hours supervision between Low Tea and High Tea.

3. Slightly more serious items would result in a Detention, report at meal times in uniform, and spend two hours under supervision on a Saturday evening after High Tea, when everyone else was either watching videos or having discos.

4. House Gating, for significant transgressions such as smoking/drinking, resulted in 1. and 3. plus being confined to the house outside of lessons, and being required to wear your uniform at all times.

After October 1991, the reporting element was reduced to simply reporting, and only requiring uniform tobe worn for the afterschool items if you were 'gated' as litter picking et al were suddenly deemed to be demeaning. It's a punishment ffs, it's not supposed to be nice

As for the unofficial punishment system, that was a hierarchy. If you crossed an unwritten line, then the error of your ways was generally beaten into you, repeatedly until the point was made. Sure some House Prefects got off on that and went a bit far, but more often than not, the recipient had actively sought the outcome that they received... keep poking a bear it will bite. By the time I reached the Sixth Form, there were a hard core of shits who had no respect for there peers, the staff, the community as a whole, and certainly not for their elders.

All you would hear from them was 'You can't do that, the Child Act says so... so what are you going to to about it'

Found that a 3am raid was always effective, every day for a week. Their peers soon got fed up with being woken by their beds being upended every night. Sneaking into their dorms for a crafty smoke always used to leave alot of explaining for them in the morning too

If the effects of the Child Act were apparent to a 15-18 year old here...

http://www.kesw.org/

I can't begin to imagine what the local comprehensive was like

[05omegav6]

As for parenting, most of our parents had nowt on the back of the war

The desire to see our kids grow up with everything they want, and all the things we didn't have, blinds many to the task of actual parenting.

This is a social cancer, with no obvious cure.

[I_want_an_Omega]

As for parenting, most of our parents had nowt on the back of the war

The desire to see our kids grow up with everything they want, and all the things we didn't have, blinds many to the task of actual parenting.

This is a social cancer, with no obvious cure.

Agreed, has and always will give bar room / forum preachers something to pontificate about ........ I don't envy young people their lot TBH ...... 

[Jusme]

The desire to see our kids grow up with everything they want, and all the things we didn't have, blinds many to the task of actual parenting. Totally agree. But providing for 'your' kids was earnt by their parents. Nowadays much of the provision for someone's kids comes via the pocket of some other poor mug..

[PhilRich]

  When the capital punishment stopped in schools it was also at the same time that many of the "60,s" make love not war generation who became teachers had got into positions of power. It all went rapidly downhill from there. i remember at my school that a new teacher started who looked remarkably like "Lilly" from the sitcom Get some in. He only lasted a term at the hands of first year (year7) pupils until he had a breakdown. Nothing could be done with the kids as you cant punish little Johnny or jemima as it is not ethical.
Bring back capital punishment and proper borstal to teach some of them some proper respect
Keith B

We only had the cane or the slipper in the 1970's

Wasn't aware of any schools using capital punishment

Think he meant Sergeant Corporal Punishment Andy, or something along those ranks lines. Bring back National Service I say, get 'em all painting the kerb stones white & polishing all the brasswork they can find!