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[Rods2]

For those that use nicotine patches and gum to give up smoking or even worse as a long term substitute. Researchers have found that nicotine is a cancergen in its own right that does major damage to DNA in cells.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2657016/Why-nicotine-gum-patches-not-safe-Scientists-discover-nicotine-isnt-just-addictive-highly-carcinogenic.html

[Marks DTM Calib]

And.....putting it into perspective (as these things NEVER do)............is it worse then smoking a packet of fags?

[Rods2]

And.....putting it into perspective (as these things NEVER do)............is it worse then smoking a packet of fags?

Probably not and most people only use them short term as part of curing their nicotine addiction, but you do get people using them long term and also e-cigs as a nicotine substitute thinking they are totally safe.

[D]

What a completely useless article.

‘This is particularly timely since nicotine is used as a smoking cessation [aid].’

How can nicotine be less safe than cigarette smoke? And for people trying to quit, inhaling one carcinogen is certainly better than smoking 3000+. And remember, it is a quit aid. Quit being the key term.

On the other hand, it is well known that barbecued food is carcinogenic. Anyone planning to stop having a BBQ this summer?

Eating meat heavy diets causes colon cancer. Anyone planning to stop?

Should be renamed the Daily Dose of Scaremongering! Stupid bunch of idiots trying make money off gullible folk.

[chrisgixer]

Indeed D. The Daily Fails mode of operation. Its reason for living. Its a disgusting paper.
Those that constantly bitch and moan, read the Fail, in fact they speak it out, like an addiction, funny enough. Those that just pick up the paper, turn into bitchy moaners.
Its like a bloody disease in itself

....IMO. Of course.

[chrisgixer]

Further, it's obsessed with cancer. Like the express is obsessed with the weather. Cancer as a subject is not to be sniffed at of course, but given the Fail is like a cancer in itself across the minds of the UK population, there is a certain irony there in the Fails own view on itself.

[TheBoy]

The Daily Fails mode of operation.

TBH, all forms of UK media, from tabloids to TV news, even the broadsheets.

Ratings are more important than accuracy/impartiality.

[tigers_gonads]

Indeed D. The Daily Fails mode of operation. Its reason for living. Its a disgusting paper.
Those that constantly bitch and moan, read the Fail, in fact they speak it out, like an addiction, funny enough. Those that just pick up the paper, turn into bitchy moaners.
Its like a bloody disease in itself

....IMO. Of course.

All papers print sensationalist shite because sensationalist shite sells papers 

As for vaping or whatever they call it.
The majority of people use them as a cheaper way of getting a fix because they haven't the balls to "go cold turkey" and just stop 
Also because you can use them in public places, they have become more of a style accessory. Obviously it is far cheaper then smoking tobacco too.

Don't know the name of the test but a friend of mine had his nicotine content checked done amongst others on the orders of his quack  doctor while he was trying to stop after many years.
He could not get on with the patches / gum so binned the fags and bought himself one of these e cigarettes.
The next time he had the test done, he had a blood count of over 3 times what he did with fags 
Basically, he had it in his gob from the moment he woke up until he went to bed 

[chrisgixer]

The Daily Fails mode of operation.

TBH, all forms of UK media, from tabloids to TV news, even the broadsheets.

Ratings are more important than accuracy/impartiality.

In the work canteen product survey, the Fail is known, head and shoulders above the rest, as the whingers paper.

This has less to do with sensationalism, and more to do with mind set.

Just saying. 

[TheBoy]

At our place, its BBC News and Sky News (mainly because they are the usual ones on, being 24hr news channels) that gets peoples backs up, and ITV is seen as the best news

Very few papers make it into the office, as most of us realise the futility of paying 60p to get depressed. We can get depression for free by listening to our managers 

[TheBoy]

Actually, the Current Bun occasionally makes it in when someone is after one of their £1 holidays, and has to collect a week of vouchers. Tad wads

[D]

Don't know the name of the test but a friend of mine had his nicotine content checked done amongst others on the orders of his quack  doctor while he was trying to stop after many years.
He could not get on with the patches / gum so binned the fags and bought himself one of these e cigarettes.
The next time he had the test done, he had a blood count of over 3 times what he did with fags 
Basically, he had it in his gob from the moment he woke up until he went to bed 

Not a commonly done test in the UK. It is scientifically proven that the dose of nicotine you get from a e-cig is less than that from a real cig. Hence why you see e-cig users having to use it for longer, breath hold longer etc. It is also the reason why there are second gen and even third gen e-cigs on the market, which allow you to increase the strength of the vapour to replicate the nicotine hit from a real cig.

The advantage of e-cig are that you are not inhaling the by-products of burning which are what are implicated in cancer.

Disadvantages include the ability to use it indoors (legislation exempt as it is not smoke but a vapour) and the worry about it being marketed as a lifestyle choice. Remember most e-cig's are owned by tobacco companies. So either way, the tobacco companies keep their coffers full at the expense of the users.

[Rods2]

What a completely useless article.

‘This is particularly timely since nicotine is used as a smoking cessation [aid].’

How can nicotine be less safe than cigarette smoke? And for people trying to quit, inhaling one carcinogen is certainly better than smoking 3000+. And remember, it is a quit aid. Quit being the key term.

On the other hand, it is well known that barbecued food is carcinogenic. Anyone planning to stop having a BBQ this summer?

Eating meat heavy diets causes colon cancer. Anyone planning to stop?

Should be renamed the Daily Dose of Scaremongering! Stupid bunch of idiots trying make money off gullible folk.

Silly me, of course it is much better to shoot any messenger, that provide information, so people can make informed choices

"‘This is particularly timely since nicotine is used as a smoking cessation [aid].’

How can nicotine be less safe than cigarette smoke? And for people trying to quit, inhaling one carcinogen is certainly better than smoking 3000+. And remember, it is a quit aid. Quit being the key term."

I don't think anybody is arguing with that, but I know people that have given up smoking, but are addicted to nicotine patches or e-cigs but as a 'safe' substitute, "they must be safe they are medically approved", so why bother stop using them long term. Now they know there is a health risk, they may decide differently and quit nicotine completely.

"On the other hand, it is well known that barbecued food is carcinogenic. Anyone planning to stop having a BBQ this summer?"

"Eating meat heavy diets causes colon cancer. Anyone planning to stop?"

HCA and PAH chemicals are created when meat is barbecued or fried and likewise it is known that red meat and processed meats are far worse for you than white meat. I have made a conscious effort to cut down on red meat, rarely eat processed meat by eating more chicken and fish and my day to day cooking methods for meat dishes don't create HCA and PAH chemicals, again an informed choice. Where fish contains mercury and I eat it more than twice a week I made the effort to look up which are typically high and those that are low, so as not to do long term damage to my nervous system. Again finding the facts and acting accordingly.

I would have thought a more constructive reply would have been more useful to people on here?

[D]

An informed link would have been better that a link to an article that makes no sensible argument at all and aims to scare the lay public. I wasn't shooting the messenger, rather am fed up of these Daily poop stories.

Where is the constructive link to the research article that shows us the evidence, so that the people can make an informed decision? No, just a one sided scare story aimed to sell papers.

Of course nicotine is harmful, I am well aware of the side effects of nicotine. And when I advise someone regarding nicotine replacement, I do inform them of the side effects of nicotine ,the risks to children (quite common for children to have a swig and get toxicity) and they get free counselling. But none of this is mentioned in the article you posted. So again a very one sided scare tactic.

If you think the daily poop link is informing people, then I have a very different concept of "informed decision making" from you.

For eg: if you had provided the actual link from the university website:

http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2013/07/072913-vbi-nicotine.html

you would have seen that they state: "Tobacco smoke contains many chemicals, including nicotine, but nicotine stands out because of its widely accepted connection to cancer, especially lung cancer."

They then go on to say:
"Using next-generation sequencing techniques, Jasmin Bavarva, a research geneticist and lead author of the study, showed more thoroughly how nicotine causes healthy cells to become cancerous and revealed new participation from previously unstudied genes."

[Rog]

The Daily Fails mode of operation.

TBH, all forms of UK media, from tabloids to TV news, even the broadsheets.

Ratings are more important than accuracy/impartiality.

Here's the only "sensible" source of current News . . . . . . 

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/