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[omega2018]

seems to be a bomb smuggled on board, possibly by (and with) the bomber.  not a small bomb either. 

good move to ban flights while they check egyptian security - i remember we accidentally smuggled a 1 litre bottle of water past sharm security in hand luggage, inbound to UK .  that was 2008, after the 2006 liquids ban.

[Rods2]

TG, I wasn't suggesting that the Russians actually shot the plane down... Merely that the aftermath would be a convenient excuse to inadvertently drop a cruise missile on the Israelis...

I know 
Just pishing on the manpad theory that ISIS and other factions use 

As for our red sea pedestrian friends, Putin is not stupid and would never drag them into any conflict.

That's open for debate...

Action - Reaction

He does something
The west reacts

Putin has the pacifist west by the balls and will manipulate the western politicians in whatever way he wishes.
He answers to nobody because anybody who gets in his way ends up in the gulag on a tax evasion charge.
Western politicians are voted in every 5 years or so.
To keep themselves in power, they have to appease the public or they are off the gravy train and another lot jump on 
The general population of the western world are now soft pacifists who just haven't got the balls to fight anymore.

Love or hate Putin, you have to admire him 

Lucky them as they will have had a big enough public profile to get such light treatment, unknowns just disappear, never to be seen again!

I guess if you are an admirer of those other European mass murders Hitler and Stalin then you probably admire Putin as well. On the murder stakes he is quite a light weight compared with the other two with only the blood of between 0.5m and 1m people on his hands so far. If Russia was not a nuclear armed state and by using threats to use them most Western politicians are sh!t scared of him, otherwise he would have been in the Hague on Genocide charges by now.

[Broomies Mate]

seems to be a bomb smuggled on board, possibly by (and with) the bomber.  not a small bomb either. 

good move to ban flights while they check egyptian security - i remember we accidentally smuggled a 1 litre bottle of water past sharm security in hand luggage, inbound to UK .  that was 2008, after the 2006 liquids ban.

Similarly, in 2012 I flew from LHR to CDG.  I always carry a very small Swiss Army style (cheap copy) knife on my keys (great for cleaning under your nails, comes in handy a lot).  It wasn't until I attempted to pass through security in Paris (the return journey) that it was confiscated.

I'm guessing these folks working at Security are so busy checking for a million and one things........ there is only so much a human can do. 

[tigers_gonads]

Rod2 says .................


I guess if you are an admirer of those other European mass murders Hitler and Stalin then you probably admire Putin as well. On the murder stakes he is quite a light weight compared with the other two with only the blood of between 0.5m and 1m people on his hands so far. If Russia was not a nuclear armed state and by using threats to use them most Western politicians are shit scared of him, otherwise he would have been in the Hague on Genocide charges by now


In a way, I admire Putin because he does what's best for HIS COUNTRY and HIS PEOPLE instead of worrying what the bleeding heart, pacifist, career gravy train self-abusers than infest most governments of the west do. 
Whether I agree with what he does or not is irrelevant.
As for Hitler and Stalin, your oppsing out of line there 

 

[tigers_gonads]

seems to be a bomb smuggled on board, possibly by (and with) the bomber.  not a small bomb either. 

good move to ban flights while they check egyptian security - i remember we accidentally smuggled a 1 litre bottle of water past sharm security in hand luggage, inbound to UK .  that was 2008, after the 2006 liquids ban.

The aircraft had just reached its cruising altitude so the seatbelt signs would have just gone off.
Apparently, some sort of Ker motion was heard on the ADR just before it went quite.
Who is to say, some nutter got up out of his seat and headed to the toilets and pressed the button 

Also, if you look at the TV pictures of the tail section on the ground, you can see some of the metal edge has been blown / bent out 
That only happens for one reason    
At that altitude, it wouldn't take much of a bomb to blow the tail off if you combine the inside / outside pressure difference.

[Kevin Wood]

It could still quite easily have been caused by a structural failure or a hard-over of, for example, the elevator control surface, causing the rear end of the fuselage to be overstressed.

Having said that, the fact that the government has acted suggests it knows something. The accident investigation might not have officially stated it yet, they might even be trying to keep a lid on it, but, I would imagine that government surveillance would have picked up that something was going on, quite independently. Then a plane drops out of the sky in the area, and it's not hard to put two and two together, even without access to the physical evidence.

It would not have been a pleasant ride for those on-board once the tail had gone, that's for sure. Let's hope it was a mercifully short one.

[tigers_gonads]

It could still quite easily have been caused by a structural failure or a hard-over of, for example, the elevator control surface, causing the rear end of the fuselage to be overstressed.

Having said that, the fact that the government has acted suggests it knows something. The accident investigation might not have officially stated it yet, they might even be trying to keep a lid on it, but, I would imagine that government surveillance would have picked up that something was going on, quite independently. Then a plane drops out of the sky in the area, and it's not hard to put two and two together, even without access to the physical evidence.



It would not have been a pleasant ride for those on-board once the tail had gone, that's for sure. Let's hope it was a mercifully short one.

Iirc, the aircraft was cruising along quite happily when it lost airspeed first then tipped nose over and descended at about 6000 feet a minute until it hit the ground 

At that height, I doubt anybody would have had a chance to grab a mask 
Even if they did, I believe the oxygen tanks are at the back of the aircraft so they would have passed out very quickly 

[omega2018]

most aircraft use chemically generated o2 for the drop down masks i think - http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Chemical_Oxygen_Generators

[Filth_Mobile_Jim]

There was a rumour early on that the plane had had a tail strike on landing early on in its life. This can damage the rear bulkhead, which is critical for maintaining cabin pressure and gets cyclically loaded ever flight. So if it was damaged and poorly repaired or the damage not noticed, then eventually it could have failed. Instand depressurisation. Panels at tail get bent out like a bomb. Tail seperates and is found away from main fuselage. It all fits.

It happened before to a Japanese or Chinese airlines 747. But that managed to fly in for a few minutes before it hit a mountain. Just long enough for people to write letters to loved ones. Scary.

[05omegav6]

Given all the other shit now happening, this theory holds no water and has no evidence to support it

Structural decompression at altitude, whilst damaging, is rarely fatal to the aircraft, especially since that Jal crash in 1987. Failings which resulted in that incident are widely documented so checks to repairs in that area would be far more stringent as a direct result. Also impending structural failure usually gives notice as an unusual noise or vibration and are recorded by the black boxes, closely followed by "What was that?"/"Did you feel/hear that?" on the voice recorder. No such anomalies have been reported

Assisted decompression, ie an explosive blast, is almost guaranteed to destroy the aircraft provided the blast is big enough. By that I mean that simply blowing out a window or popping a small hole in the skin will only serve to make the cabin uncomfortable until the aircraft decends. A decent sized bomb in the rear hold would produce what we have seen in Egypt.

I won't post pictures, as the images are easy enough to find, but compare United 811, mechanical decompression of the forward hold at cruising altitude, (the cargo door opened itself due to a wiring fault and weak deadlocks), with Pan Am 103. Assisted decompression of the forward hold at cruising altitude, (this time an explosive devicein the centre of the hold). Both the same aircraft type, similar events with one significant difference... one aircraft landed safely with a loss of only nine people, tother aircraft didn't and everyone onboard perished.

And if you want to get an idea of the structural sections of a 220-240 narrow bodied airliner, then click here (Britannia B757, Girona in bad weather).

Compare to the images from Egypt and try to disprove a bomb towards the front of the rear cargo hold

[biggriffin]

Mmm.
 A bomb. How or why did a Russian plane blow up?
 well Holmes,
 What about an upset Ukrainian, who might have been on hollybobs, in Egypt, and then went shopping,?
 I say Watson , now why would a Ukrainian want to blow up a Russian plane.

Were's Cem when you need him, arr well rods will have to do