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[Varche]

 

[deviator]

Can't we follow the US's lead and set trade agreements with fictitious places?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50849559

 

[Sir Tigger KC]

With the Withdrawal Bill having passed it's second reading in Parliament today, it is almost certain that it will pass all the scrutiny bits and bobs in the New Year, will be voted into law and thus the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration will be ratified. BREXIT done! 

Well not quite....    As all eyes then go to the EU Parliament where they will debate it sometime in January and have a vote on whether to ratify it or not.   

And this is where things might get interesting. 

Since Boris announced that he would definitely not extend the transition period, and that this will be enshrined in the Withdrawal Bill, the Burghers of Brussels have been muttering things like Zis is impossible! or It vil be wery challenging! meaning of course that 11 months isn't enough time to conclude an FTA.  If the EU Parliament ratify the WA&PD however, surely it is tacit agreement that in fact it can and will be done?    Otherwise they may agree with their Eurocrat masters and vote against. 

Also, Manfred Weber the leader of the EPP has said that the UK will have to abide by Single Market rules in any future relationship otherwise the EPP will vote against.  Boris Johnson's revised WA, strips out the commitments on workers rights made to the Labour Party by Theresa May (ie UK to mirror EU laws, present and future) when she was desperately trying get them onside earlier in the year.  It's possible that the EPP might take a view that Boris has no intention for the UK to abide by the rules of the Single Market in any FTA, which incidently include the so called Four Freedoms, and might refuse to vote for the WA&PD. 

Finally, our old friend, the euro-windbag Guy Verhofstadt has said in the last few days that the EU Parliament will not ratify the WD&PD if the British Government does not unconditionally grant full residency rights to all EU citizens living in the UK, without them having to apply. 

If for whatever reason the EU Parliament fails to ratify the WA&PD even if the UK Parliament has, then we leave on the 31st January 2020 with a clean break, an outcome more commonly known as the dreaded No Deal and any talk of the transition period, extensions, or Free Trade negotiations will be moot! 

[Varche]

Succinctly put.

I still believe no deal will be the outcome and then having had the cold shower from the fall out, both sides will then get round the table and agree something. ( hopefully as there are a lot of egos )

Boris putting end dates on the various stages is just good business sense. Any business without times scales knows it risks talks taking forever. It is human nature.

Six weeks to go and EU citizens in UK and UK citizens in EU countries don't really know what is going to happen to them.

[STEMO]

With the Withdrawal Bill having passed it's second reading in Parliament today, it is almost certain that it will pass all the scrutiny bits and bobs in the New Year, will be voted into law and thus the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration will be ratified. BREXIT done! 

Well not quite....    As all eyes then go to the EU Parliament where they will debate it sometime in January and have a vote on whether to ratify it or not.   

And this is where things might get interesting. 

Since Boris announced that he would definitely not extend the transition period, and that this will be enshrined in the Withdrawal Bill, the Burghers of Brussels have been muttering things like Zis is impossible! or It vil be wery challenging! meaning of course that 11 months isn't enough time to conclude an FTA.  If the EU Parliament ratify the WA&PD however, surely it is tacit agreement that in fact it can and will be done?    Otherwise they may agree with their Eurocrat masters and vote against. 

Also, Manfred Weber the leader of the EPP has said that the UK will have to abide by Single Market rules in any future relationship otherwise the EPP will vote against.  Boris Johnson's revised WA, strips out the commitments on workers rights made to the Labour Party by Theresa May (ie UK to mirror EU laws, present and future) when she was desperately trying get them onside earlier in the year.  It's possible that the EPP might take a view that Boris has no intention for the UK to abide by the rules of the Single Market in any FTA, which incidently include the so called Four Freedoms, and might refuse to vote for the WA&PD. 

Finally, our old friend, the euro-windbag Guy Verhofstadt has said in the last few days that the EU Parliament will not ratify the WD&PD if the British Government does not unconditionally grant full residency rights to all EU citizens living in the UK, without them having to apply. 

If for whatever reason the EU Parliament fails to ratify the WA&PD even if the UK Parliament has, then we leave on the 31st January 2020 with a clean break, an outcome more commonly known as the dreaded No Deal and any talk of the transition period, extensions, or Free Trade negotiations will be moot! 

Please see reply #9.

[Sir Tigger KC]

With the Withdrawal Bill having passed it's second reading in Parliament today, it is almost certain that it will pass all the scrutiny bits and bobs in the New Year, will be voted into law and thus the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration will be ratified. BREXIT done! 

Well not quite....    As all eyes then go to the EU Parliament where they will debate it sometime in January and have a vote on whether to ratify it or not.   

And this is where things might get interesting. 

Since Boris announced that he would definitely not extend the transition period, and that this will be enshrined in the Withdrawal Bill, the Burghers of Brussels have been muttering things like Zis is impossible! or It vil be wery challenging! meaning of course that 11 months isn't enough time to conclude an FTA.  If the EU Parliament ratify the WA&PD however, surely it is tacit agreement that in fact it can and will be done?    Otherwise they may agree with their Eurocrat masters and vote against. 

Also, Manfred Weber the leader of the EPP has said that the UK will have to abide by Single Market rules in any future relationship otherwise the EPP will vote against.  Boris Johnson's revised WA, strips out the commitments on workers rights made to the Labour Party by Theresa May (ie UK to mirror EU laws, present and future) when she was desperately trying get them onside earlier in the year.  It's possible that the EPP might take a view that Boris has no intention for the UK to abide by the rules of the Single Market in any FTA, which incidently include the so called Four Freedoms, and might refuse to vote for the WA&PD. 

Finally, our old friend, the euro-windbag Guy Verhofstadt has said in the last few days that the EU Parliament will not ratify the WD&PD if the British Government does not unconditionally grant full residency rights to all EU citizens living in the UK, without them having to apply. 

If for whatever reason the EU Parliament fails to ratify the WA&PD even if the UK Parliament has, then we leave on the 31st January 2020 with a clean break, an outcome more commonly known as the dreaded No Deal and any talk of the transition period, extensions, or Free Trade negotiations will be moot! 

Please see reply #9.

That was about the FTA, this is about the WA. 

[STEMO]

With the Withdrawal Bill having passed it's second reading in Parliament today, it is almost certain that it will pass all the scrutiny bits and bobs in the New Year, will be voted into law and thus the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration will be ratified. BREXIT done! 

Well not quite....    As all eyes then go to the EU Parliament where they will debate it sometime in January and have a vote on whether to ratify it or not.   

And this is where things might get interesting. 

Since Boris announced that he would definitely not extend the transition period, and that this will be enshrined in the Withdrawal Bill, the Burghers of Brussels have been muttering things like Zis is impossible! or It vil be wery challenging! meaning of course that 11 months isn't enough time to conclude an FTA.  If the EU Parliament ratify the WA&PD however, surely it is tacit agreement that in fact it can and will be done?    Otherwise they may agree with their Eurocrat masters and vote against. 

Also, Manfred Weber the leader of the EPP has said that the UK will have to abide by Single Market rules in any future relationship otherwise the EPP will vote against.  Boris Johnson's revised WA, strips out the commitments on workers rights made to the Labour Party by Theresa May (ie UK to mirror EU laws, present and future) when she was desperately trying get them onside earlier in the year.  It's possible that the EPP might take a view that Boris has no intention for the UK to abide by the rules of the Single Market in any FTA, which incidently include the so called Four Freedoms, and might refuse to vote for the WA&PD. 

Finally, our old friend, the euro-windbag Guy Verhofstadt has said in the last few days that the EU Parliament will not ratify the WD&PD if the British Government does not unconditionally grant full residency rights to all EU citizens living in the UK, without them having to apply. 

If for whatever reason the EU Parliament fails to ratify the WA&PD even if the UK Parliament has, then we leave on the 31st January 2020 with a clean break, an outcome more commonly known as the dreaded No Deal and any talk of the transition period, extensions, or Free Trade negotiations will be moot! 

Please see reply #9.

That was about the FTA, this is about the WA. 

No deal is no deal, so you need to shut up a bit now. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

With the Withdrawal Bill having passed it's second reading in Parliament today, it is almost certain that it will pass all the scrutiny bits and bobs in the New Year, will be voted into law and thus the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration will be ratified. BREXIT done! 

Well not quite....    As all eyes then go to the EU Parliament where they will debate it sometime in January and have a vote on whether to ratify it or not.   

And this is where things might get interesting. 

Since Boris announced that he would definitely not extend the transition period, and that this will be enshrined in the Withdrawal Bill, the Burghers of Brussels have been muttering things like Zis is impossible! or It vil be wery challenging! meaning of course that 11 months isn't enough time to conclude an FTA.  If the EU Parliament ratify the WA&PD however, surely it is tacit agreement that in fact it can and will be done?    Otherwise they may agree with their Eurocrat masters and vote against. 

Also, Manfred Weber the leader of the EPP has said that the UK will have to abide by Single Market rules in any future relationship otherwise the EPP will vote against.  Boris Johnson's revised WA, strips out the commitments on workers rights made to the Labour Party by Theresa May (ie UK to mirror EU laws, present and future) when she was desperately trying get them onside earlier in the year.  It's possible that the EPP might take a view that Boris has no intention for the UK to abide by the rules of the Single Market in any FTA, which incidently include the so called Four Freedoms, and might refuse to vote for the WA&PD. 

Finally, our old friend, the euro-windbag Guy Verhofstadt has said in the last few days that the EU Parliament will not ratify the WD&PD if the British Government does not unconditionally grant full residency rights to all EU citizens living in the UK, without them having to apply. 

If for whatever reason the EU Parliament fails to ratify the WA&PD even if the UK Parliament has, then we leave on the 31st January 2020 with a clean break, an outcome more commonly known as the dreaded No Deal and any talk of the transition period, extensions, or Free Trade negotiations will be moot! 

Please see reply #9.

That was about the FTA, this is about the WA. 

No deal is no deal, so you need to shut up a bit now. 

Unfortunately No Deal on the second deal, doesn't cancel out the first deal which will have been signed, sealed, delivered and cost us about £30bn, before we even start talking about the outcome of the second deal. 

[Raeturbo]

Very eloquently delivered, I must say Sir Trig