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[Varche]

At the risk of changing the subject but seeing as you mentioned nationalisation, what is the view on the water companies that are allowing multiple sewage discharges, not investing in new infrastructure.? Just keep going as is? Better aggressive oversight. Higher charges ?

[Sir Tigger KC]

Opening up North Sea oil and gas fields to become less energy dependent and watch the corporate income revenue grow.

This bit is codswallop. The oil companies own the oil/gas that comes out of holes in the north seabed. They can and will sell it to the highest bidder. The only way we become less energy dependent is if HMG nationalises north sea oil - Is that what you're suggesting, coz it's full on communist rubbish!

However, I agree that HMG should allow the exploitation of the North sea oil/gas reserves to the fullest extent. It does nothing to reduce prices or decrease dependency, but it does bring in extra tax and licence revenues.

That's true to an extent with crude oil from the North Sea as we don't have the refining capabilities that we used to have, but not so much with gas.

North Sea gas goes straight into the UK grid and most stays there, apart from some that goes to Belgium, the Netherlands and the Republic of Ireland via pipelines.  The UK doesn't export LNG either as there are no facilities in the UK to liquify natural gas. It's why we've never had much in the way of gas storage facilities, because the North Sea was our gas storage facility. 

Then the idiot green nazis thought it was a good idea to shut down the oil and gas industry and rely on 13th century technology instead! 

[Sir Tigger KC]

At the risk of changing the subject but seeing as you mentioned nationalisation, what is the view on the water companies that are allowing multiple sewage discharges, not investing in new infrastructure.? Just keep going as is? Better aggressive oversight. Higher charges ?

The idea that the water industry would be hunky dory if only it had never been privatised is laughable! 

The huge elephant in the room with the sewage discharges issue is mass immigration.  11 million extra people create a lot of extra poop to deal with, and they didn't upgrade or build new facilities to deal with it! 

If the water companies were still in the public sector, the required huge investments would have been a ministerial decision, and explaining to voters that bills were going up and billions of pounds of tax payers cash were going to be spent on new treatment works because they had imported so many immigrants just wouldn't have gone down well on the doorstep.  So they would have kicked the can down the road like they do with everything else. 

 

[Varche]

Hang on a min.

11 million extra people. Surely they are paying directly or indirectly for their water, sewage etc. ?

What business doesn’t want more customers! But surely you put in place more infrastructure to cope. If it is bad now, think what it will be like in ten years time.

How do other European countries like France and Spain have lower bills?

[Doctor Gollum]

Hang on a min.

11 million extra people. Surely they are paying directly or indirectly for their water, sewage etc. ?

What business doesn’t want more customers! But surely you put in place more infrastructure to cope. If it is bad now, think what it will be like in ten years time.

How do other European countries like France and Spain have lower bills?

We're paying for it. Those "asylum seekers" are contributing substantially less than zero in every single way.

France has plenty of water. And Spain relies heavily on desalination plants.

Also, in the UK, local authorities especially South and East of the Midlands have had most of the housing foisted on us with zero thought as to how to provide the infrastructure. The solution around our way is to drop the water pressure. You have very stupid people in very high places who have zero concept of how things exist and function.

[Varche]

But it isn’t 11 million asylum seekers. I would be the first to agree that asylum seekers contribute less than zero .

Britain has plenty of water too like Spain but neither has an effective national grid to transport surplus to drier areas. Spain does have a lot of desalination plants . They are expensive but an example of investment in infrastructure to cope with demand.

You are right about planning isn’t joined up. New housing estates without schools and doctors etc. Who is to blame.?

[Doctor Gollum]

Central government for placing ill considered stupidity onto the local authorities and the local authorities for not saying no and doing everything either without consultation or failing to heed said consultations.

For example Horsham District Council signed off on massive expansion of Broad ridge Heath onto the river Aurn flood plain. Even the Environment Agency said to do so would be retarded. They did it any way.

Current proposals for Adversane include building several thousand homes in a hamlet of less than 200 and closing a level crossing to make it better. Said level crossing has one alternative... In Billingshurst. The ensuong chaos this will cause is apparently irrelevant. Oh and they make no mention of the scrap processing plant 100.yards east of the railway line and therefore one of the largest users of said level crossing because there insufficient HGV access if you go the other way.

And let's not forget that Billingshurst had doubled in size in the last 10 years.

You could ultimately say that were to blame for electing these eejits in the first place.

[Sir Tigger KC]

But it isn’t 11 million asylum seekers. I would be the first to agree that asylum seekers contribute less than zero .

Britain has plenty of water too like Spain but neither has an effective national grid to transport surplus to drier areas. Spain does have a lot of desalination plants . They are expensive but an example of investment in infrastructure to cope with demand.

You are right about planning isn’t joined up. New housing estates without schools and doctors etc. Who is to blame.?

You're right, it's legal immigration but far from the doctors and engineers the lefties fondly imagine.

A good chunk is 'chain migration' or in other words dependents, as we stupidly allowed migrants (even students!) to bring their extended families. Uncle Abdul Mohammed and all.  When the principle migrant is doing a minimum wage job, who pays the water bill?

There was a article recently about two Nigerian women who came to work in a care home. Between them they brought 2 husbands and about 13 kids! 

When they've been here for 5 years and can get Indefinite Leave To Remain with all the entitlements to housing and benefits etc, will they bother going in to wipe old white peoples arses?   

[Varche]

Central government for placing ill considered stupidity onto the local authorities and the local authorities for not saying no and doing everything either without consultation or failing to heed said consultations.

For example Horsham District Council signed off on massive expansion of Broad ridge Heath onto the river Aurn flood plain. Even the Environment Agency said to do so would be retarded. They did it any way.

Current proposals for Adversane include building several thousand homes in a hamlet of less than 200 and closing a level crossing to make it better. Said level crossing has one alternative... In Billingshurst. The ensuong chaos this will cause is apparently irrelevant. Oh and they make no mention of the scrap processing plant 100.yards east of the railway line and therefore one of the largest users of said level crossing because there insufficient HGV access if you go the other way.

And let's not forget that Billingshurst had doubled in size in the last 10 years.

You could ultimately say that were to blame for electing these eejits in the first place.

One hundred percent correct. The people ultimately are to blame. You elect or pay people to manage water, planning etc etc because the people cannot do it themselves.  Where we the people go wrong is resorting to forums like this one to moan instead of lobbying or getting rid of the people not performing.

[TheBoy]

However, I agree that HMG should allow the exploitation of the North sea oil/gas reserves to the fullest extent. It does nothing to reduce prices or decrease dependency, but it does bring in extra tax and licence revenues.

A geographically varied supply, would help iron out some peaks caused by supply restrictions in other geographical areas? Even if the supply is probably not enough.

Generally with items with volatile pricing - in my business thats memory, storage and GPU components currently - a diverse supply helps keep prices more sensible.

[TheBoy]

At the risk of changing the subject but seeing as you mentioned nationalisation, what is the view on the water companies that are allowing multiple sewage discharges, not investing in new infrastructure.? Just keep going as is? Better aggressive oversight. Higher charges ?

Investment is very high, the leftie media just don't like to mention it.  They prefer to say that shareholders are becoming millionaires instead.

Shareholders, private or fund managed, rightly expect a return on their investment.  Shares are issued to raise funds in order to pay for infrastructure.  The people that buy those shares are essentially betting that they will see a usually modest return on that investment, hopefully above the rate of inflation.  Thats how a stocks and shares market works.

A government run <insert anything here, but applicable to water> would be inefficient, wasteful, slow at doing infrastructure upgrades, and always run orders of magnitude over budget, as history has repeatedly taught us.  A prime current example of over budget and under delivery is the stupid railway from London (well, Wormwood Scrubs) to Birmingham.  An envisaged bottomless pit of money, provided by taxpayers, is what all union leaders want to get their hands on.

So I believe that water companies would be in an even worse state now had they not been privatised.  Privatisation hasn't been as effective as it could have been, partly due to awful regulation - all the utility regulators are useless and internally corrupt, which is another issue with government run bodies.

[TheBoy]

And talking of leftie railway projects, EWR was completed (well, the funded part from Oxford to Milton Keynes) last year, but hasn't carried a single passenger, because the unions won't allow it.

So thats another colossal waste of tax payer's money, in addition to the additional costs that local communities had to endure during construction.

[LC0112G]

However, I agree that HMG should allow the exploitation of the North sea oil/gas reserves to the fullest extent. It does nothing to reduce prices or decrease dependency, but it does bring in extra tax and licence revenues.

A geographically varied supply, would help iron out some peaks caused by supply restrictions in other geographical areas? Even if the supply is probably not enough.

Generally with items with volatile pricing - in my business thats memory, storage and GPU components currently - a diverse supply helps keep prices more sensible.

No, not really. The UK north sea gas even at peak production was less than one percent of world supply. Oil and Gas is priced globally, so if there is disruption somewhere else (say in the gulf  ) then the price of UK gas rises because the spot price for world gas rises. Doesn't matter which hole in the ground the gas comes out of.

There isn't really a shortage of oil or gas. What there is is a shortage of cheap oil and gas, and extracting it from the north sea won't help that because in world terms it's such a tiny supply, and relatively expensive to extract.

The real benefit to us of north sea gas is jobs, and money collected via taxes and exploration & licence fees. IMV we should be allowing exploration and extraction for that very reason. It doesn't help security of supply except in extremis, and it won't lower prices.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Yet prices in places which have plenty of oil - from USA to Saudi Arabia  - always seem to be a lot lower than countries that dont have it.