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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #15 on: 26 December 2006, 16:57:06 »

Indeed.

Either good old IEE8E02.3 UTP CAT5 or 5e, or if you are running over area with high emi or chance of it, use STP cabling with an RJ45 at the end or decent encryption on the Wireless device and your sorted.

Don't worry to much about reliability, as most Wireless device use DSSS, which is prefered over FHSS.
FHSS however does have a hidden security benifit, but is slower, hence why most home systems use DSSS to overcome midband interferance.
Most modern houses are built from bricks on the outside, and plasterboard on the inside from my experiance, and TBH I have had FAR more issues with old houses having thick stone walls than flimsy new flat pack houses.
Traditional Ethernet (IEEE 802.3) is the most secure, like I say use Cat5e, and that is secure and easier to setup, doesn't require a signal( ofcourse it requires a signal, normally encapsulated using NRTZ, for those Boffins amonst us who will pick me up on it) or any type of keys, it just works.
Wireless on the otherhand is very handy for people who hate cables, and is generally far slower, 58Mbps if your lucky.
Some claim 108Mbps, but TBH, I've never seen this, and I think it's just the theoretical speed you could get if you where in an interfereance free environment.

I used to be paid to install this kit, and 9 times out of ten I would end up selling the customers a wired solution. It just works far better, is easyer to troublshoot, and is more secure.

If you do want to go the Wireless way though, and are concerned about signal strength, you can by plate directional antenners, that work quite well, and allow you that bit extra mobility.

My 2 pence worth.

Cheers

Matt
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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #16 on: 26 December 2006, 20:56:59 »

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Now you're starting to do my head in..... ::)

A wireless router is the way to go, and with encryption will also be safe for Internet banking...



Cheers MJ :y

Whatever you go for AA.....DO NOT use an wireless keyboard and mouse like i do on my desktop.....your neighbour might be holding a receiver upto your window and reading your keystrokes  ;D
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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #17 on: 26 December 2006, 23:41:54 »

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Indeed.

Either good old IEE8E02.3 UTP CAT5 or 5e, or if you are running over area with high emi or chance of it, use STP cabling with an RJ45 at the end or decent encryption on the Wireless device and your sorted.

Don't worry to much about reliability, as most Wireless device use DSSS, which is prefered over FHSS.
FHSS however does have a hidden security benifit, but is slower, hence why most home systems use DSSS to overcome midband interferance.
Most modern houses are built from bricks on the outside, and plasterboard on the inside from my experiance, and TBH I have had FAR more issues with old houses having thick stone walls than flimsy new flat pack houses.
Traditional Ethernet (IEEE 802.3) is the most secure, like I say use Cat5e, and that is secure and easier to setup, doesn't require a signal( ofcourse it requires a signal, normally encapsulated using NRTZ, for those Boffins amonst us who will pick me up on it) or any type of keys, it just works.
Wireless on the otherhand is very handy for people who hate cables, and is generally far slower, 58Mbps if your lucky.
Some claim 108Mbps, but TBH, I've never seen this, and I think it's just the theoretical speed you could get if you where in an interfereance free environment.

I used to be paid to install this kit, and 9 times out of ten I would end up selling the customers a wired solution. It just works far better, is easyer to troublshoot, and is more secure.

If you do want to go the Wireless way though, and are concerned about signal strength, you can by plate directional antenners, that work quite well, and allow you that bit extra mobility.

My 2 pence worth.

Cheers

Matt
I have seen some clever equipment that can read data off a cat5 cable without breaking into it....
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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #18 on: 26 December 2006, 23:43:27 »

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Indeed.

Either good old IEE8E02.3 UTP CAT5 or 5e, or if you are running over area with high emi or chance of it, use STP cabling with an RJ45 at the end or decent encryption on the Wireless device and your sorted.

Don't worry to much about reliability, as most Wireless device use DSSS, which is prefered over FHSS.
FHSS however does have a hidden security benifit, but is slower, hence why most home systems use DSSS to overcome midband interferance.
Most modern houses are built from bricks on the outside, and plasterboard on the inside from my experiance, and TBH I have had FAR more issues with old houses having thick stone walls than flimsy new flat pack houses.
Traditional Ethernet (IEEE 802.3) is the most secure, like I say use Cat5e, and that is secure and easier to setup, doesn't require a signal( ofcourse it requires a signal, normally encapsulated using NRTZ, for those Boffins amonst us who will pick me up on it) or any type of keys, it just works.
Wireless on the otherhand is very handy for people who hate cables, and is generally far slower, 58Mbps if your lucky.
Some claim 108Mbps, but TBH, I've never seen this, and I think it's just the theoretical speed you could get if you where in an interfereance free environment.

I used to be paid to install this kit, and 9 times out of ten I would end up selling the customers a wired solution. It just works far better, is easyer to troublshoot, and is more secure.

If you do want to go the Wireless way though, and are concerned about signal strength, you can by plate directional antenners, that work quite well, and allow you that bit extra mobility.

My 2 pence worth.

Cheers

Matt
I have seen some clever equipment that can read data off a cat5 cable without breaking into it....

Never seen it myself, but I am sure MI5 have it...

What does AA have there in his bank account I wonder?  ;D
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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #19 on: 27 December 2006, 09:38:22 »

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Indeed.

Either good old IEE8E02.3 UTP CAT5 or 5e, or if you are running over area with high emi or chance of it, use STP cabling with an RJ45 at the end or decent encryption on the Wireless device and your sorted.

Don't worry to much about reliability, as most Wireless device use DSSS, which is prefered over FHSS.
FHSS however does have a hidden security benifit, but is slower, hence why most home systems use DSSS to overcome midband interferance.
Most modern houses are built from bricks on the outside, and plasterboard on the inside from my experiance, and TBH I have had FAR more issues with old houses having thick stone walls than flimsy new flat pack houses.
Traditional Ethernet (IEEE 802.3) is the most secure, like I say use Cat5e, and that is secure and easier to setup, doesn't require a signal( ofcourse it requires a signal, normally encapsulated using NRTZ, for those Boffins amonst us who will pick me up on it) or any type of keys, it just works.
Wireless on the otherhand is very handy for people who hate cables, and is generally far slower, 58Mbps if your lucky.
Some claim 108Mbps, but TBH, I've never seen this, and I think it's just the theoretical speed you could get if you where in an interfereance free environment.

I used to be paid to install this kit, and 9 times out of ten I would end up selling the customers a wired solution. It just works far better, is easyer to troublshoot, and is more secure.

If you do want to go the Wireless way though, and are concerned about signal strength, you can by plate directional antenners, that work quite well, and allow you that bit extra mobility.

My 2 pence worth.

Cheers

Matt
I have seen some clever equipment that can read data off a cat5 cable without breaking into it....

Never seen it myself, but I am sure MI5 have it...

What does AA have there in his bank account I wonder?  ;D

Probably a lot less than you MJ ;)

Remember, I'm a poor old pensioner ;D
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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #20 on: 27 December 2006, 11:10:59 »

You can get a decent WPA enabled wireless ADSL router for about £45 and a WPA enabled USB dongle for around £19.99.
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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #21 on: 27 December 2006, 11:33:39 »

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a WPA enabled USB dongle for around £19.99.
Or a mini PCI card for his laptop (assuming antenna fitted, normally is) for around £10 - £15 brand new from fleabay. Neater solution.
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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #22 on: 27 December 2006, 11:36:42 »

haven't looked at the auction prices - probably cheaper, and a card for the lappy is indeed a neater solution. USB ones are usually rubbish - the one I have is belkin and is utter crap. wont pick up a wireless signal unless it is within about 2 meters. Same goes with my wireless belkin internal PC card.

More reasons not to buy Belkin.
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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #23 on: 27 December 2006, 11:48:16 »

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haven't looked at the auction prices - probably cheaper, and a card for the lappy is indeed a neater solution. USB ones are usually rubbish - the one I have is belkin and is utter crap. wont pick up a wireless signal unless it is within about 2 meters. Same goes with my wireless belkin internal PC card.

More reasons not to buy Belkin.
Belkin ain't that good ;)

As I'm sure Allenm will confirm, 2wire USB dongles are pretty crap as well.

For USB, I've found the best adapter to be the Linksys ones (the blue and black ones).  In fact, the older blue and black Linksys stuff is very good imho.  The silver linksys stuff seems to be less resilient - if I were a cynic, I would say Cisco are trying to make the consumer lines (linksys) less suitable for business use (instead tell people to use cisco branded wifi).

The 3Com stuff ain't too bad, but avoid the routers and access points (security issues)
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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #24 on: 27 December 2006, 13:54:55 »

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Indeed.

Either good old IEE8E02.3 UTP CAT5 or 5e, or if you are running over area with high emi or chance of it, use STP cabling with an RJ45 at the end or decent encryption on the Wireless device and your sorted.

Don't worry to much about reliability, as most Wireless device use DSSS, which is prefered over FHSS.
FHSS however does have a hidden security benifit, but is slower, hence why most home systems use DSSS to overcome midband interferance.
Most modern houses are built from bricks on the outside, and plasterboard on the inside from my experiance, and TBH I have had FAR more issues with old houses having thick stone walls than flimsy new flat pack houses.
Traditional Ethernet (IEEE 802.3) is the most secure, like I say use Cat5e, and that is secure and easier to setup, doesn't require a signal( ofcourse it requires a signal, normally encapsulated using NRTZ, for those Boffins amonst us who will pick me up on it) or any type of keys, it just works.
Wireless on the otherhand is very handy for people who hate cables, and is generally far slower, 58Mbps if your lucky.
Some claim 108Mbps, but TBH, I've never seen this, and I think it's just the theoretical speed you could get if you where in an interfereance free environment.

I used to be paid to install this kit, and 9 times out of ten I would end up selling the customers a wired solution. It just works far better, is easyer to troublshoot, and is more secure.

If you do want to go the Wireless way though, and are concerned about signal strength, you can by plate directional antenners, that work quite well, and allow you that bit extra mobility.

My 2 pence worth.

Cheers

Matt
I have seen some clever equipment that can read data off a cat5 cable without breaking into it....

There is always Fibre!!! ;)
1000BaseFX, using Multimode fibre..... read that without breaking the cable smart arse...  ;D :y

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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #25 on: 27 December 2006, 16:15:55 »

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There is always Fibre!!! ;)
1000BaseFX, using Multimode fibre..... read that without breaking the cable smart arse...  ;D :y

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Thats why high security places use fibre rather than cat 5e/cat6, though apparently it is still possible to read that if near enough the fibre card from the noise generated by card itself.
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« Reply #26 on: 27 December 2006, 17:33:35 »

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Re: Wireless connection question.
« Reply #27 on: 28 December 2006, 00:01:25 »

Whilst you're on the subject I have a Dell Inspiron 8600 with wireless capability - what do I need to plug into my PC to access the net from my laptop? A dongle? If so which one?
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« Reply #28 on: 28 December 2006, 00:33:59 »

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Whilst you're on the subject I have a Dell Inspiron 8600 with wireless capability - what do I need to plug into my PC to access the net from my laptop? A dongle? If so which one?

If it has 'wireless capability' then all you need on the laptop side is the correct drivers.

This will allow the laptop to communicate with a Wireless Access Point - and these are usually incorporated into ADSL Routers these days. So if your ADSL Router does not have wireless, you will need to replace it with one that does. They cost around £50-eesh.

However keep in mind that most wireless ADSL routers require that the initial configuration is done through a wired connection, so you will need a network patch lead and then to wire-up the ADSL router to the laptop and configure it. Once configured, you can disconnect the patch lead and use the wireless setup, but keep that patch lead handy, you will need it again when things go pear-shaped...







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