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[M-Tek Performance]

without changing the gear ratio's or raising the revs you wont hit 170mph.

infact even then, im not so sure a senny will have the oomph to do it.

Unlike that monster of yours masquerading as a "normal" Cossie!  

LOL.

It looks normal from the outside  If its ready in time, it'll be out to play for you know what you told me about last week

[Marks DTM Calib]

That 3.0 24v is one of the best engines Vauxhall ever made i think, its about it hit 142k miles still sounds sweet as a nut.

Tunnie.....its an over weight boat anchor of an engine which was past its best in the early 90's which ruins the handling of the car....note a Senator with a V6 in would be more interesting as it would be better balanced.....

[MaxV6]

why do i get the feeling Mark's slightly biased towards the V6 then??


IMHO  the Straight 6 was better.

1) Definitely more reliable...  in both 12 and 24 valve forms

2) more low end grunt and better delivery.....   honestly that 4K surge in the V6 is almost as bad as a turbo lag

3) More economical ........  or at least, it is under the right conditions....

4) it can be turned into larger capacity fire breathing monsters with relative ease.



however,  i would probably concede that there is more technical elegance about aspects of later engine designs....  , shame it breaks so easily.

all findings based on personal direct experience of having multiple vehicles , covering very high mileage , over 20+ years

[Marks DTM Calib]

why do i get the feeling Mark's slightly biased towards the V6 then??


IMHO  the Straight 6 was better.

1) Definitely more reliable...  in both 12 and 24 valve forms

2) more low end grunt and better delivery.....   honestly that 4K surge in the V6 is almost as bad as a turbo lag

3) More economical ........  or at least, it is under the right conditions....

4) it can be turned into larger capacity fire breathing monsters with relative ease.



however,  i would probably concede that there is more technical elegance about aspects of later engine designs....  , shame it breaks so easily.

all findings based on personal direct experience of having multiple vehicles , covering very high mileage , over 20+ years

Not more reliable, I would say they are on a par here....

Power delivery is pants.....the V6 torque curve is much flatter and more progressive, if yours doesn't feel this way...it aint working right !

Not more economical.....around europe we were getting a displayed 30ish mpg....the rea value was a few mpg less....again...its on a par...

It cant be tuned with ease...it takes big bucks...many think of teh hugely costly Lotus tweak (major change) adn the equaly pricey 3.6 conversion.....not cheap by ay means...

I have always been against tuning anyway....if its not fast enough, its the wrong car.....if the engine doesnt have enough grunt....put a V8 in.....

The straight six has to many bad points

1) Its WAY to heavy.....
2) Its to old fashioned with unreliable dizzy etc...
3) Its WAY to heavy
4) Its much to big.....remember the block did come from the old post war Bedford trucks!
5) Its pwoer delivey is crude.....mainly due to the simple RAM induction system.....
6) It wont meet modern emmision standards....so there was no way it was ever going to survive!
7) Its WAY to heavy.

Its day was gone....it had been stretched out as long as it could from a life expectancy point of view....it was WELL past it and most worryingly....it ruined the handling of the cars it was fitted to.....imagine how good the Lotus Carlton would have been with a V8 sat further back in the engine bay to help weight distribution.....or even the Senator, Monza or GSi Carlton....

Every engine has its day.....the straight six has gone....the V6 is on its way out....the latest daddy on the block is the LS2 or 2.8V6 turbo...