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[ScottieMV6]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8270772.stm

A tax for having a fixed landline phone. I know this was brought up on here a few months ago but it looks likely this will be passed now.

How many more ways to tax us can this government come up with???

[albitz]

Rest assured there will be many more in the coming years.Browns atrocious incompetence in mishandling the economy for many years isd about to catch up with us.

[ScottieMV6]

I know Albs, I'm fed up with it.

What annoys me more than anything is the way the government try and spin us all this bulls**t about how it isn't a tax. What the f**k is it then - they will be taking it without an option so in my book it is a tax.

[Tonka.]

They call it a 'Levy' 

Tax to me 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

All I will say about all these proposals is stop panicing, let's just wait and see, we have 10 months and counting before the current incompetents are relieved of all their posts!

Labour have historically been always the party of high taxation, and the Conservatives have always been the opposite, although to pay for GB's stupidity the main sources of tax revenue will have to continue, as they did at the start of Thatcher's reign, to pay off the Labour Governments debt!!

Please just remember the mess we are in now, and as we were in 1979, and NEVER vote in Labour again!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

All I will say about all these proposals is stop panicing, let's just wait and see, we have 10 months and counting before the current incompetents are relieved of all their posts!

Labour have historically been always the party of high taxation, and the Conservatives have always been the opposite, although to pay for GB's stupidity the main sources of tax revenue will have to continue, as they did at the start of Thatcher's reign, to pay off the Labour Governments debt!!

Please just remember the mess we are in now, and as we were in 1979, and NEVER vote in Labour again!

The problem is this Lizzie.....
If we vote Tory..................we are not going to get a Thatcher (Thank god).......a Churchill.......or a Supermac.......................No.....We will get David Cameron(a nobody).....as Batman.......and his toady little sidekick George Osborne (another nobody) ............as the Boy Wonder. :-/ :-/ :-/
New Labour .............................may well be history Lizzie................but these Eton educated Tory Toffs will be no good for the country as they have no understanding of the ordinary  British people....( this is what happens ....when you are dressed by "nanny"....until you are nineteen.
It might be a case of "better the devil you know" 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

All I will say about all these proposals is stop panicing, let's just wait and see, we have 10 months and counting before the current incompetents are relieved of all their posts!

Labour have historically been always the party of high taxation, and the Conservatives have always been the opposite, although to pay for GB's stupidity the main sources of tax revenue will have to continue, as they did at the start of Thatcher's reign, to pay off the Labour Governments debt!!

Please just remember the mess we are in now, and as we were in 1979, and NEVER vote in Labour again!

The problem is this Lizzie.....
If we vote Tory..................we are not going to get a Thatcher (Thank god).......a Churchill.......or a Supermac.......................No.....We will get David Cameron(a nobody).....as Batman.......and his toady little sidekick George Osborne (another nobody) ............as the Boy Wonder. :-/ :-/ :-/
New Labour .............................may well be history Lizzie................but these Eton educated Tory Toffs will be no good for the country as they have no understanding of the ordinary  British people....( this is what happens ....when you are dressed by "nanny"....until you are nineteen.
It might be a case of "better the devil you know" 

Hi Optimist, great to see you again!

To start with Macmillan and Churchill were not born as great politicians and leaders of our country, but by operating in those circles developed as such.  Cameron could well do the same, as Thatcher indeed did.  Unknown, to well known , then greatness, is a development that no one can predict, in fact many predicted Churchill would be a disaster, and he came close to being so, but once the country needed him.......the rest his history.

As for "Eton toffs", Churchill went to Harrow, Macmillan to Eton as did Cameron.   On the playing fields of those illustrious public schools future British victories and greatness were won.  Cameron could, it is hoped, match the virtues gained at Eton and also become a great British leader.

So there is nothing wrong in our leaders being those that have gained from the best education in the world; what is wrong is that more children cannot enjoy such privilege!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

All I will say about all these proposals is stop panicing, let's just wait and see, we have 10 months and counting before the current incompetents are relieved of all their posts!

Labour have historically been always the party of high taxation, and the Conservatives have always been the opposite, although to pay for GB's stupidity the main sources of tax revenue will have to continue, as they did at the start of Thatcher's reign, to pay off the Labour Governments debt!!

Please just remember the mess we are in now, and as we were in 1979, and NEVER vote in Labour again!

The problem is this Lizzie.....
If we vote Tory..................we are not going to get a Thatcher (Thank god).......a Churchill.......or a Supermac.......................No.....We will get David Cameron(a nobody).....as Batman.......and his toady little sidekick George Osborne (another nobody) ............as the Boy Wonder. :-/ :-/ :-/
New Labour .............................may well be history Lizzie................but these Eton educated Tory Toffs will be no good for the country as they have no understanding of the ordinary  British people....( this is what happens ....when you are dressed by "nanny"....until you are nineteen.
It might be a case of "better the devil you know" 

Hi Optimist, great to see you again!

To start with Macmillan and Churchill were not born as great politicians and leaders of our country, but by operating in those circles developed as such.  Cameron could well do the same, as Thatcher indeed did.  Unknown, to well known , then greatness, is a development that no one can predict, in fact many predicted Churchill would be a disaster, and he came close to being so, but once the country needed him.......the rest his history.

As for "Eton toffs", Churchill went to Harrow, Macmillan to Eton as did Cameron.   On the playing fields of those illustrious public schools future British victories and greatness were won.  Cameron could, it is hoped, match the virtues gained at Eton and also become a great British leader.

So there is nothing wrong in our leaders being those that have gained from the best education in the world; what is wrong is that more children cannot enjoy such privilege!

Lizzie................I agree that our leaders need to be well educated......articulate.......and well informed.....in order to progress in political life

But....Eton.....please ....NO...No...NO...it is just a hopelessly outdated anachronistic..........institution  ....that has no place in the modern world of today......it tends to produce....inept....bumbling buffoons.....who have no idea how much a loaf of bread or bottle of milk costs. :-/ :-/

Boris Johnson.......and Oliver Letwin.....are old Etonians.............I rest my case.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

All I will say about all these proposals is stop panicing, let's just wait and see, we have 10 months and counting before the current incompetents are relieved of all their posts!

Labour have historically been always the party of high taxation, and the Conservatives have always been the opposite, although to pay for GB's stupidity the main sources of tax revenue will have to continue, as they did at the start of Thatcher's reign, to pay off the Labour Governments debt!!

Please just remember the mess we are in now, and as we were in 1979, and NEVER vote in Labour again!

The problem is this Lizzie.....
If we vote Tory..................we are not going to get a Thatcher (Thank god).......a Churchill.......or a Supermac.......................No.....We will get David Cameron(a nobody).....as Batman.......and his toady little sidekick George Osborne (another nobody) ............as the Boy Wonder. :-/ :-/ :-/
New Labour .............................may well be history Lizzie................but these Eton educated Tory Toffs will be no good for the country as they have no understanding of the ordinary  British people....( this is what happens ....when you are dressed by "nanny"....until you are nineteen.
It might be a case of "better the devil you know" 

Hi Optimist, great to see you again!

To start with Macmillan and Churchill were not born as great politicians and leaders of our country, but by operating in those circles developed as such.  Cameron could well do the same, as Thatcher indeed did.  Unknown, to well known , then greatness, is a development that no one can predict, in fact many predicted Churchill would be a disaster, and he came close to being so, but once the country needed him.......the rest his history.

As for "Eton toffs", Churchill went to Harrow, Macmillan to Eton as did Cameron.   On the playing fields of those illustrious public schools future British victories and greatness were won.  Cameron could, it is hoped, match the virtues gained at Eton and also become a great British leader.

So there is nothing wrong in our leaders being those that have gained from the best education in the world; what is wrong is that more children cannot enjoy such privilege!

Lizzie................I agree that our leaders need to be well educated......articulate.......and well informed.....in order to progress in political life

But....Eton.....please ....NO...No...NO...it is just a hopelessly outdated anachronistic..........institution  ....that has no place in the modern world of today......it tends to produce....inept....bumbling buffoons.....who have no idea how much a loaf of bread or bottle of milk costs. :-/ :-/

Boris Johnson.......and Oliver Letwin.....are old Etonians.............I rest my case.

"outdated"!!   Have a look through their 21st Century web site, read through what is intended, aimed for, provided, and note the famous old Etonians listed, thinking of their achievements.   "Bumblers" are in all parts of society, in all classes, but regrettably you will always find far more 'challenged' children outside of the public school system than in!!

http://www.etoncollege.com/Home.aspx

 

[sandune]

HI I  second   optomist60 sentiments on the state of the choice politicans

[Dishevelled Den]

The problem is this Lizzie.....
If we vote Tory..................we are not going to get a Thatcher (Thank god).......a Churchill.......or a Supermac.......................No.....We will get David Cameron(a nobody).....as Batman.......and his toady little sidekick George Osborne (another nobody) ............as the Boy Wonder. :-/ :-/ :-/
New Labour .............................may well be history Lizzie................but these Eton educated Tory Toffs will be no good for the country as they have no understanding of the ordinary  British people....( this is what happens ....when you are dressed by "nanny"....until you are nineteen.
It might be a case of "better the devil you know" 

.....I share your concern regarding the personalities likely to form the next administration Opti. 

I’m far from convinced that the Tory front bench, as presently constituted, will have the strength or imagination to form an administration to a point where the mess that the existing lot has left, can be tackled in any cohesive way. That’s something which should concern us all.

Insofar as ‘the devil you know’ I would prefer to forget about this present demon, as a renewed term of government would be an unmitigated disaster for this country.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

All I will say about all these proposals is stop panicing, let's just wait and see, we have 10 months and counting before the current incompetents are relieved of all their posts!

Labour have historically been always the party of high taxation, and the Conservatives have always been the opposite, although to pay for GB's stupidity the main sources of tax revenue will have to continue, as they did at the start of Thatcher's reign, to pay off the Labour Governments debt!!

Please just remember the mess we are in now, and as we were in 1979, and NEVER vote in Labour again!

The problem is this Lizzie.....
If we vote Tory..................we are not going to get a Thatcher (Thank god).......a Churchill.......or a Supermac.......................No.....We will get David Cameron(a nobody).....as Batman.......and his toady little sidekick George Osborne (another nobody) ............as the Boy Wonder. :-/ :-/ :-/
New Labour .............................may well be history Lizzie................but these Eton educated Tory Toffs will be no good for the country as they have no understanding of the ordinary  British people....( this is what happens ....when you are dressed by "nanny"....until you are nineteen.
It might be a case of "better the devil you know" 

Hi Optimist, great to see you again!

To start with Macmillan and Churchill were not born as great politicians and leaders of our country, but by operating in those circles developed as such.  Cameron could well do the same, as Thatcher indeed did.  Unknown, to well known , then greatness, is a development that no one can predict, in fact many predicted Churchill would be a disaster, and he came close to being so, but once the country needed him.......the rest his history.

As for "Eton toffs", Churchill went to Harrow, Macmillan to Eton as did Cameron.   On the playing fields of those illustrious public schools future British victories and greatness were won.  Cameron could, it is hoped, match the virtues gained at Eton and also become a great British leader.

So there is nothing wrong in our leaders being those that have gained from the best education in the world; what is wrong is that more children cannot enjoy such privilege!

Lizzie................I agree that our leaders need to be well educated......articulate.......and well informed.....in order to progress in political life

But....Eton.....please ....NO...No...NO...it is just a hopelessly outdated anachronistic..........institution  ....that has no place in the modern world of today......it tends to produce....inept....bumbling buffoons.....who have no idea how much a loaf of bread or bottle of milk costs. :-/ :-/

Boris Johnson.......and Oliver Letwin.....are old Etonians.............I rest my case.

"outdated"!!   Have a look through their 21st Century web site, read through what is intended, aimed for, provided, and note the famous old Etonians listed, thinking of their achievements.   "Bumblers" are in all parts of society, in all classes, but regrettably you will always find far more 'challenged' children outside of the public school system than in!!

http://www.etoncollege.com/Home.aspx

 

21st Century web site... I 'am shocked .....I felt sure that all communication coming out of Eton would take the form of a plump breasted carrier pigeon.......or a hot air balloon piloted by a couple of old boys........along with a hamper full of tuck .......and champagne.......naturally.
Seriously though Lizzie........I will read with interest....perhaps it's not too late for me to apply..........I was an old grammar school boy  ......that should count for something.

[Dishevelled Den]

21st Century web site... I 'am shocked .....I felt sure that all communication coming out of Eton would take the form of a plump breasted carrier pigeon.......or a hot air balloon piloted by a couple of old boys........along with a hamper full of tuck .......and champagne.......naturally.
Seriously though Lizzie........I will read with interest....perhaps it's not too late for me to apply..........I was an old grammar school boy  ......that should count for something.

...what more can be asked for 8-)