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Re: AGW - the end-game?
« Reply #15 on: 24 January 2010, 13:56:42 »

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My views on global warming/climate change ......are well documented on this forum.....unlike some however ::) ::).........My mind is open to reasoned persuasion..  :) :) ;) :y 

Aha! Cognitive dissonance, anyone?  ;)

....until we have totally unambiguous evidence.......then perhaps so.
But........ until then......I prefer to think of myself as a flexible ....adaptable .....rather than stagnant thinker.. :y :y
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Re: AGW - the end-game?
« Reply #16 on: 24 January 2010, 14:36:15 »

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As far as going too fast is concerned, I feel I should point out that the sceptics are, by and large, sensible folks who are concerned that the science is being, or has been, distorted to make a political point. They, (well, certainly the ones I know) want the debate to move onto things like protecting the rain forests, protecting habitats, reducing disease etc. When the CO2 scam is finally revealed, I have no doubt that the David Bellamy's of this world will be re-instated and we can look after our planet in a sensible, compassionate and targeted way. We've just got to get rid of this daft guilt-driven policy which is actually harming the environment (e.g. the amount of forest being cleared for biofuels, etc.).  :y 

Wouldn't disagree about the sceptics.  It's the media that bother me. 

This seems to have all the characteristics of the launch of a bandwagon going in the opposite direction. 

On past performance, no lessons will have been learned and the journalistic understanding of science will not have improved.  Of course, to get going properly, it will require some politicians to step up to the mark to say "I never believed in GW/CC and it was all a load of media-driven nonsense".  Don't think they'll have too much trouble finding them, though.

U-turn, anybody?
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Re: AGW - the end-game?
« Reply #17 on: 25 January 2010, 14:51:48 »

"AGW theory is toast. So’s Dr Rajendra Pachauri. So’s the Stern Review. So’s the credibility of the IPCC. But if you think I’m cheered by this you’re very much mistaken. I’m trying to write a Climategate book but the way things are going by the time I’m finished there won’t be anything left to say: the battle will already have been won and the only people left who still believe in Man Made Global Warming will be the eco-loon equivalents of those wartime Japanese soldiers left abandoned and forgotten on remote Pacific atolls."

 ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100023598/after-climategate-pachaurigate-and-glaciergate-amazongate/
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Re: AGW - the end-game?
« Reply #18 on: 26 January 2010, 23:47:24 »

"The impact of global warming has been exaggerated by some scientists and there is an urgent need for more honest disclosure of the uncertainty of predictions about the rate of climate change, according to the Government’s chief scientific adviser."

"He said that public confidence in climate science would be improved if there were more openness about its uncertainties, even if that meant admitting that sceptics had been right on some hotly-disputed issues."


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7003622.ece

Rats? Sinking ships? (Or have I used that analogy before?)  ;) ;D ;D
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Re: AGW - the end-game?
« Reply #19 on: 26 January 2010, 23:59:02 »

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"The impact of global warming has been exaggerated by some scientists and there is an urgent need for more honest disclosure of the uncertainty of predictions about the rate of climate change, according to the Government’s chief scientific adviser."

"He said that public confidence in climate science would be improved if there were more openness about its uncertainties, even if that meant admitting that sceptics had been right on some hotly-disputed issues."


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7003622.ece

Rats? Sinking ships? (Or have I used that analogy before?)  ;) ;D ;D



That ship should have been consigned to the deep a long, long time ago, Nick.

Furthermore, all the ‘clever’ bastards clinging to the rapidly disappearing rails should be allowed to remain cast adrift in the harsh oceans of reality.
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Re: AGW - the end-game?
« Reply #20 on: 27 January 2010, 00:03:16 »

Indeed, Zulu.

The ammo is beginning to pour down on the SS AGW. "Cap'n we canna take any more!"  ;) ;D

"Terri Jackson, MSc MPhil founder of the Energy Group at the Institute of Physics, London, was one of 150 professional physicists, climatologists and scientists who submitted a signed petition to the UN secretary-general at Copenhagen asking him to provide observational scientific evidence rather than theoretical models for the unproved claims that humans were responsible for the present climate changes.

Here, she gives her thoughts on the thorny issue of global warming. “The first point to make is that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant but a gas that is essential for life and for plant growth,” she said.

“The contribution of man-made carbon dioxide to the greenhouse effect is minimal with about 108 gigatons of man-made carbon dioxide in the atmosphere compared with an overall total of 2,700 gigatons. “To change the entire world domestic and industrial energy system over such a small effect seems outrageous.

Thousands of physicists and climatologists throughout the world dissent from this unproven theory. Temperatures have been considerably higher in the past, for example when the Vikings developed Greenland, without any adverse effects.


http://climaterealists.com/attachments/database/Vested%20interests%20scary%20as%20any%20climate%20change%20scare.pdf

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