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Re: Talk about huge stress
« Reply #30 on: 24 March 2010, 19:00:45 »

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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.

Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school  :o


Well that is most odd!! :o :o

With a RTC, involving a minor who has been injured he should have had an ambulance summoned so paramedics could check him out at the scene of the accident.  This is vital so as to rule out neck, back or any other potentially serious injuries.  Did your son leave the scene before the police arrived?  Did not the Transport Police advice him to stay and wait for medical attention?

There are some important questions to be asked here Del. ;) ;)
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Re: Talk about huge stress
« Reply #31 on: 24 March 2010, 19:16:22 »

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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.

Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school  :o


Well that is most odd!! :o :o

With a RTC, involving a minor who has been injured he should have had an ambulance summoned so paramedics could check him out at the scene of the accident.  This is vital so as to rule out neck, back or any other potentially serious injuries.  Did your son leave the scene before the police arrived?  Did not the Transport Police advice him to stay and wait for medical attention?

There are some important questions to be asked here Del. ;) ;)
They never gave him any medical attention at all, nor did the teachers, they asked what injuries he had that was it. School then walked him to reception he was walking fine on his own, but that isn't the point. The police never came to the school they wanted us to wait there for them, then Sue took him to the hospital, I met her at the school first to check he was ok. No ambulance was even mentioned, probably because he was walking around but thats the adrenaline from the shock. He is only 15 too.
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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #32 on: 24 March 2010, 19:44:55 »

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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.

Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school  :o


Well that is most odd!! :o :o

With a RTC, involving a minor who has been injured he should have had an ambulance summoned so paramedics could check him out at the scene of the accident.  This is vital so as to rule out neck, back or any other potentially serious injuries.  Did your son leave the scene before the police arrived?  Did not the Transport Police advice him to stay and wait for medical attention?

There are some important questions to be asked here Del. ;) ;)
They never gave him any medical attention at all, nor did the teachers, they asked what injuries he had that was it. School then walked him to reception he was walking fine on his own, but that isn't the point. The police never came to the school they wanted us to wait there for them, then Sue took him to the hospital, I met her at the school first to check he was ok. No ambulance was even mentioned, probably because he was walking around but thats the adrenaline from the shock. He is only 15 too.


It sounds to me Del that he did not stay at the scene of the accident and therefore did not receive the usual police and ambulance service treatment.

It would also appear that the school subsequently failed in their duty of care to ensure he received medical attention as the shock alone, let alone other hidden injuries, can be fatal.

I would certainly be asking some serious questions of the school, and with a RTC involved all his treatment should have been fully undertaken by medical staff immediately following it. 

Your son, as you know, made a very bad error in running across a road, then, no doubt in shock, running away from the scene to school.  He must understand he should take responsibility for his actions.

However, on an adult level if I was you Del I would be asking to see the full police report on this RTC to ascertain what actually happened, what  police investigation was undertaken, and what is / was the police conclusion.  A trip to Ashford police station would be my first point of call.  To me there seems to be vital gaps in this story, probably down to the actions, shock and natural fear after the event of a 15 year old, which cannot be blamed on the police or the school. 

It all seems like a genuine error by your son that caused the RTC, but how it was all followed up I think needs your attention so you can understand fully what transpired. ;) ;)

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« Reply #33 on: 24 March 2010, 20:05:13 »

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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.

Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school  :o


Well that is most odd!! :o :o

With a RTC, involving a minor who has been injured he should have had an ambulance summoned so paramedics could check him out at the scene of the accident.  This is vital so as to rule out neck, back or any other potentially serious injuries.  Did your son leave the scene before the police arrived?  Did not the Transport Police advice him to stay and wait for medical attention?

There are some important questions to be asked here Del. ;) ;)
They never gave him any medical attention at all, nor did the teachers, they asked what injuries he had that was it. School then walked him to reception he was walking fine on his own, but that isn't the point. The police never came to the school they wanted us to wait there for them, then Sue took him to the hospital, I met her at the school first to check he was ok. No ambulance was even mentioned, probably because he was walking around but thats the adrenaline from the shock. He is only 15 too.


It sounds to me Del that he did not stay at the scene of the accident and therefore did not receive the usual police and ambulance service treatment.

It would also appear that the school subsequently failed in their duty of care to ensure he received medical attention as the shock alone, let alone other hidden injuries, can be fatal.

I would certainly be asking some serious questions of the school, and with a RTC involved all his treatment should have been fully undertaken by medical staff immediately following it. 

Your son, as you know, made a very bad error in running across a road, then, no doubt in shock, running away from the scene to school.  He must understand he should take responsibility for his actions.

However, on an adult level if I was you Del I would be asking to see the full police report on this RTC to ascertain what actually happened, what  police investigation was undertaken, and what is / was the police conclusion.  A trip to Ashford police station would be my first point of call.  To me there seems to be vital gaps in this story, probably down to the actions, shock and natural fear after the event of a 15 year old, which cannot be blamed on the police or the school. 

It all seems like a genuine error by your son that caused the RTC, but how it was all followed up I think needs your attention so you can understand fully what transpired. ;) ;)

Nope LZ he stayed at the scene of the accident until Sue arrived. So I can't see how he didn't get treatment. It happened right outside the school
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« Reply #34 on: 24 March 2010, 20:18:43 »

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Kent police took him and me and sue without notifying the doctor.

Was he not taken to hospital by ambulance Del and seen by doctors as soon as he arrived? :-/ :-/
Nope, me and Sue took him, they wanted him to stay at the school  :o


Well that is most odd!! :o :o

With a RTC, involving a minor who has been injured he should have had an ambulance summoned so paramedics could check him out at the scene of the accident.  This is vital so as to rule out neck, back or any other potentially serious injuries.  Did your son leave the scene before the police arrived?  Did not the Transport Police advice him to stay and wait for medical attention?

There are some important questions to be asked here Del. ;) ;)
They never gave him any medical attention at all, nor did the teachers, they asked what injuries he had that was it. School then walked him to reception he was walking fine on his own, but that isn't the point. The police never came to the school they wanted us to wait there for them, then Sue took him to the hospital, I met her at the school first to check he was ok. No ambulance was even mentioned, probably because he was walking around but thats the adrenaline from the shock. He is only 15 too.


It sounds to me Del that he did not stay at the scene of the accident and therefore did not receive the usual police and ambulance service treatment.

It would also appear that the school subsequently failed in their duty of care to ensure he received medical attention as the shock alone, let alone other hidden injuries, can be fatal.

I would certainly be asking some serious questions of the school, and with a RTC involved all his treatment should have been fully undertaken by medical staff immediately following it. 

Your son, as you know, made a very bad error in running across a road, then, no doubt in shock, running away from the scene to school.  He must understand he should take responsibility for his actions.

However, on an adult level if I was you Del I would be asking to see the full police report on this RTC to ascertain what actually happened, what  police investigation was undertaken, and what is / was the police conclusion.  A trip to Ashford police station would be my first point of call.  To me there seems to be vital gaps in this story, probably down to the actions, shock and natural fear after the event of a 15 year old, which cannot be blamed on the police or the school. 

It all seems like a genuine error by your son that caused the RTC, but how it was all followed up I think needs your attention so you can understand fully what transpired. ;) ;)

Nope LZ he stayed at the scene of the accident until Sue arrived. So I can't see how he didn't get treatment. It happened right outside the school


In that case Del another question needs asking; why didn't the police call an ambulance??  It is standard procedure for one to be called when someone, especially a minor, and involving a police vehicle, has been hurt in an accident, so at least paramedics can check the IP (injured party) out. ::) ::) ::)   The health of an IP and the need or not for hospital treatment is not a decision a police officer can safely make :( :(
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Re: Talk about huge stress
« Reply #35 on: 24 March 2010, 20:23:10 »

Got a case here haven't we.
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« Reply #36 on: 24 March 2010, 20:34:08 »

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Got a case here haven't we.


I do not know that as all the facts are not known, but knowing what you do I would certainly find out more from Kent Police asking the questions I have previously suggested.

It would also be interesting to know if the Traffic Division was involved in the investigation, or simply the local officers.

As already stated though you have to accept your sons responsibility in this affair, but at the same time approach the police on the basis of ascertaining the truth, not to start casting blame.  ;) ;)

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« Reply #37 on: 24 March 2010, 21:43:12 »

Cheers for the help LZ, you're very knowledgeable  :y
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« Reply #38 on: 24 March 2010, 22:14:16 »

Sorry to hear that your son was injured, but there are a few points in this thread I do not understand

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there is a skid mark which is about 10 inches if that, there were no cars in front of the bloke who was driving and I drove up and down there a good few times and I can't see how he cannot have seen him....

...What do you think I should do regarding the driver? Got a few ideas but what do you think?

The driver may well have seen him from some distance, but was your son actually in the road when the he first came into view of the driver?

At that time, was there any reason for him (the driver) to expect your son to attempt to run into the road without looking?

A skid mark of less than 10 inches suggests to me that a) he was driving well within the speed limit and b) that your son's action of running into the road was a sudden last-minute action which, given that he is in Year 11 (rather than Year 1) could not have been reasonably foreseen.

As I have children of my own (albeit much younger), I can empathise with your shock and concern for your son's injuries and I wish him a speedy recovery.

However, i cannot understand - on the basis of the facts you have posted - how any blame can be apportioned to the driver. I am sure he has suffered shock and distress as well. Do you really think that his driving was so bad he needs to be punished or to pay compensation?

Personally, I do not.

I reiterate that my views are solely based on the account of the incident as posted. 
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« Reply #39 on: 24 March 2010, 22:50:22 »

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Sorry to hear that your son was injured, but there are a few points in this thread I do not understand

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there is a skid mark which is about 10 inches if that, there were no cars in front of the bloke who was driving and I drove up and down there a good few times and I can't see how he cannot have seen him....

...What do you think I should do regarding the driver? Got a few ideas but what do you think?

The driver may well have seen him from some distance, but was your son actually in the road when the he first came into view of the driver?

At that time, was there any reason for him (the driver) to expect your son to attempt to run into the road without looking?

A skid mark of less than 10 inches suggests to me that a) he was driving well within the speed limit and b) that your son's action of running into the road was a sudden last-minute action which, given that he is in Year 11 (rather than Year 1) could not have been reasonably foreseen.

As I have children of my own (albeit much younger), I can empathise with your shock and concern for your son's injuries and I wish him a speedy recovery.

However, i cannot understand - on the basis of the facts you have posted - how any blame can be apportioned to the driver. I am sure he has suffered shock and distress as well. Do you really think that his driving was so bad he needs to be punished or to pay compensation?

Personally, I do not.

I reiterate that my views are solely based on the account of the incident as posted. 
My son was already in one lane of the road, so he must've been in the drivers view, the only thing I can think of is the driver thought he wasn't going to come out in the road but he did  :( I don't want the driver to pay anything but on the same hand I cannot see how he didn't see him to start off with. I've driven down there 3 times agin tonight and I really just can't see how he wouldnt've seen him.
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« Reply #40 on: 24 March 2010, 22:58:55 »

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My son was already in one lane of the road, so he must've been in the drivers view, the only thing I can think of is the driver thought he wasn't going to come out in the road but he did  :( I don't want the driver to pay anything but on the same hand I cannot see how he didn't see him to start off with. I've driven down there 3 times agin tonight and I really just can't see how he wouldnt've seen him.

OK. My advice, which you can take or leave, is to concentrate on getting your son back to full health and doing your best not to think about the circumstances. If you've driven down the road three times tonight thinking about it, then I would courteously suggest that you are still in shock and unlikely therefore to think rationally about the incident.

Take a time out. Watch telly, or do whatever you can to relax. It has clearly affected you badly and you need to rest, IMHO.

You cannot undo what has been done, no matter how hard you think about it.  :y
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