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[Richie London]

young lad at work come out the pub in hemel hemstead last week drunk, went to drive and got stopped even before he started the engine. copper was alone so he thought he could run but fell over within 10ft of runnin, copper called in for a breathaliser as he didnt have one and the lad blew 136 i think he said.

now this is what i cant work out. he had his details taken and then taken to the station where he blew in the machine, his reading was then 169 and then waited 4 hrs for the doctor to give blood then thrown out and told to return on the 29th of this month. he wasnt charged, no arrest sheet or any type of paperwork which i thought they had to give you by law

now the bad part. its his 3rd DD in the 10 years hes been driving.  that has to be a prison sentance surely??

[steve_daly]

As far as I am aware, you don't have to have a blood sample taken to be convicted.

Blow twice in the machine at the station, job done.

[Richie London]

As far as I am aware, you don't have to have a blood sample taken to be convicted.

Blow twice in the machine at the station, job done.

but dont they have to give you an arrest sheet or charge sheet

[JamesV6CDX]

young lad at work come out the pub in hemel hemstead last week drunk, went to drive and got stopped even before he started the engine.

Well based on what you've written, It reads that he had not started driving - so based purely on the facts given, he hasn't committed a drink drive offence on this occasion, or at least, he hadn't at the point he was seen by the cop.

There may be the potential for a drunk in charge offence though.

[JamesV6CDX]

As far as I am aware, you don't have to have a blood sample taken to be convicted.

Blow twice in the machine at the station, job done.

but dont they have to give you an arrest sheet or charge sheet

If he was charged with drink driving, he would have most likely been bailed to attend court, in which case a bail sheet would have been issued in the custody suite, at the time of his release.

[Dishevelled Den]

young lad at work come out the pub in hemel hemstead last week drunk, went to drive and got stopped even before he started the engine.

Well based on what you've written, It reads that he had not started driving - so based purely on the facts given, he hasn't committed a drink drive offence on this occasion, or at least, he hadn't at the point he was seen by the cop.

There may be the potential for a drunk in charge offence though.

There may be the potential for a drunk in charge offence though.

That's the one James.

[Mr Skrunts]

Heard a lot of stories of people being done for drink driving when in fact they never even statrted the car and in some cases never wven go ton it.

Sometimes I think the rnglish lanuange and the law dont add up.

Drink drive to me means car must have moved or at least keys in ignition, but even that to me is drunk with intent ro drive (no less of a problem)

But arrested out side of the (Not in the drivers seat) surely is not a driving offence.

What happends if someone just wanted the house key from the miggys drop down pocket under the light switch all with the intention just to walk home.

Open to interpretation I suppose -as opening the drivers door means an intent ro drive.

[davethediver]

Don't think the fact that the lad has form for these offences is going to help him in any way.

[Mr Skrunts]

Don't think the fact that the lad has form for these offences is going to help him in any way.

Very true, but each incident should be treated individually at that time.

[Dishevelled Den]

Heard a lot of stories of people being done for drink driving when in fact they never even statrted the car and in some cases never wven go ton it.

Sometimes I think the rnglish lanuange and the law dont add up.

Drink drive to me means car must have moved or at least keys in ignition, but even that to me is drunk with intent ro drive (no less of a problem)

But arrested out side of the (Not in the drivers seat) surely is not a driving offence.

What happends if someone just wanted the house key from the miggys drop down pocket under the light switch all with the intention just to walk home.

Open to interpretation I suppose -as opening the drivers door means an intent ro drive.

But arrested out side of the (Not in the drivers seat) surely is not a driving offence.

Unfortunately it can be if the individual is in possession of the keys to the vehicle and is in close proximity to it at the time of detection.

What happends if someone just wanted the house key from the miggys drop down pocket under the light switch all with the intention just to walk home.

I would say that there would be a fair chance of that someone getting a tug for DIC.

[PhilRich]

Sadly Richie, the lad is an utter pratt! This is the third? time he's been caught, but how many times has he done it & got away with it? How many people have narrowly avoided injury or death on his drunken journeys, we will never know! This time thank God he has been stopped, but IMHO he needs the book throwing at him before his (and their) luck runs out!

[mudflap]

sadly it is the innocent that suffer from drink drivers, the law should be changed to a complete ban on any drink driving at all - no more silly "limits" and many innocent lives would be saved 

[Turk]

Sounds like 'Drunk in charge of a vehicle' (or whatever the official jargon is) would be the most likely charge.