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[jerry]

does all this trouble in the middle east mean that nice mr bush's "new world order" is being put on hold then?

[Dishevelled Den]

Zulu , I'll work for your passage at home.. not easy to translate and keep in mind at a single pass with online dictionaries

I often forget that cem and I do apologise: although it would be a good excuse to visit you over there in Turkey to expand on my thoughts.

Having said that your grasp of English and the standard of your debate is impressive to say the least.

I will try to cut the longer pieces down as I can see how referring to a translating dictionary as you read would interrupt the flow of what you're looking at.

[Dishevelled Den]

Perhaps my last post Z will help you understand my thinking more, with the highlighted piece in my summission touching on how we haven't got full democracy yet;

[size=24]"[/size]Their history cannot be the same as the British experience.  Their "process" to democracy will be different in line with their culture, and could take a century to achieve!  As I described the English / British path to democracy has taken centuries, and the final chapter has not been written yet as real democracy has yet to be reached, if that is ever possible.  Arab states will take a different path, but will one day arrive at the same conclusion.  Religion will become far more secular, as it has in Britain and throughout Europe.  Islamic states will be no different.

The process has started in full amongst an ever increasingly educated people who also access the internet along with the rest of us.  The worlds peoples revolution will now continue apace[size=24]."[/size]
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 We should also bear in mind the wonderful Churchill quote when he spoke about democracy:

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

 

Sorry Lizzie I didn't see that one - now that I'm fit again I've restarted the woodshed that's been sitting dormant over the period of my illness so am cracking-on with it as the weather is reasonably good today.

I'll come back to this later.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Perhaps my last post Z will help you understand my thinking more, with the highlighted piece in my summission touching on how we haven't got full democracy yet;

[size=24]"[/size]Their history cannot be the same as the British experience.  Their "process" to democracy will be different in line with their culture, and could take a century to achieve!  As I described the English / British path to democracy has taken centuries, and the final chapter has not been written yet as real democracy has yet to be reached, if that is ever possible.  Arab states will take a different path, but will one day arrive at the same conclusion.  Religion will become far more secular, as it has in Britain and throughout Europe.  Islamic states will be no different.

The process has started in full amongst an ever increasingly educated people who also access the internet along with the rest of us.  The worlds peoples revolution will now continue apace[size=24]."[/size]
"
 We should also bear in mind the wonderful Churchill quote when he spoke about democracy:

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

 

Sorry Lizzie I didn't see that one - now that I'm fit again I've restarted the woodshed that's been sitting dormant over the period of my illness so am cracking-on with it as the weather is reasonably good today.

I'll come back to this later.

Ok Z, fair enough!  Enjoy the sun, as I know I am at the moment 8-) 8-)  

Hope the shed builfding comes on a treat

[cem_devecioglu]

Zulu , I'll work for your passage at home.. not easy to translate and keep in mind at a single pass with online dictionaries

I often forget that cem and I do apologise: although it would be a good excuse to visit you over there in Turkey to expand on my thoughts.

Having said that your grasp of English and the standard of your debate is impressive to say the least.

I will try to cut the longer pieces down as I can see how referring to a translating dictionary as you read would interrupt the flow of what you're looking at.

any time you wish sir ..  be my guest

and thanks for kind words