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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #30 on: 13 April 2011, 04:30:01 »

AV, despite what I thought earlier, actually wouldn't benefit the wee diddy parties like the BNP, they would need 50% of voters in any given constituency to at least put them down as an option - I don't think theres a constituency in the UK where that would happen - so bye bye BNP  ;D

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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #31 on: 13 April 2011, 14:26:12 »

How many times have you heard someone say "I'll vote x to stop y getting in. No point voting for anyone else as it would be a wasted vote."

If that really is a prevalent as I suspect then AV is the way to go.

Do people really vote say Conservative to get rid of Labour OR Labour to get rid of Conservatives?

Perhaps more coalitions are the way forward. maybe politics comes of age?
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #32 on: 13 April 2011, 14:50:54 »

My worry is this:

Now this is only a scenario (as clearly the Lib Dems are struggling).

Say we have

1) Mr Tory
2) Mr Labour

Mr Tory Votes

1 - Conservative
2 - Lib Dem

Mr Labour Votes

1 - Labour
2 - Lib Dem

The result is not a great one as the one that received no first choices gets in.

Plus, its got to cost a load more because its WAY more complex to count the votes!
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #33 on: 13 April 2011, 14:53:00 »

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Just to add some details .. AV is used in 3 countries in the world ..

Fiji, Australia and Papua New Guinea

WOW ... impressive support for such a "brilliant" system don't you think ??

Our present "first past the post" system is used in over 50 countries ..... so why change ?? It's not broken so don't try and fix it ....  EXCEPT that AV gives the "little parties" .. like Lib Dems, Greens, BNP .. more power so they want it.

Main danger is apathy ... most folks don't understand or care .. so the few that do will vote "yes" and may get it in "by default" .. :(

2 sides ..

NO - http://www.no2av.org/

Yes - http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/article.php?id=55

Have a read .. it is the future of UK voting .. and therefore the way we are governed that is at stake .. :(

Nail on head Nige. :y
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #34 on: 13 April 2011, 15:08:45 »

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Just to add some details .. AV is used in 3 countries in the world ..

Fiji, Australia and Papua New Guinea

WOW ... impressive support for such a "brilliant" system don't you think ??

Our present "first past the post" system is used in over 50 countries ..... so why change ?? It's not broken so don't try and fix it ....  EXCEPT that AV gives the "little parties" .. like Lib Dems, Greens, BNP .. more power so they want it.

Main danger is apathy ... most folks don't understand or care .. so the few that do will vote "yes" and may get it in "by default" .. :(

2 sides ..

NO - http://www.no2av.org/

Yes - http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/article.php?id=55

Have a read .. it is the future of UK voting .. and therefore the way we are governed that is at stake .. :(

Nail on head Nige. :y


First past the post works in those countries where you have two main parties (like Britain used to) nowadays we have 3 viable main parties - remember Labour got a landslide in '97 yet barely secured 40% of the popular vote....hardly warranted a landslide in seats did it? and the LibDems regulary poll 30% odd but dont get anthying like 30% of the seats  :o

Ironically because of the coalition govt, on the brink of AV LibDems vote has collapsed, so its a moot point for a few decades  :-?
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #35 on: 13 April 2011, 19:51:16 »

Alternative Vote yes or no?

my view is

1. No
2. Yes
3. don't know
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #36 on: 13 April 2011, 21:59:35 »

if the referendum doesn't get a clear result, will we end up with a system based on our second choice?

 ;)
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #37 on: 13 April 2011, 22:22:33 »

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if the referendum doesn't get a clear result, will we end up with a system based on our second choice?

 ;)

  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #38 on: 13 April 2011, 22:30:54 »

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if the referendum doesn't get a clear result, will we end up with a system based on our second choice?

 ;)


Priceless, Egg!  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Alternative Vote. Yes or No?
« Reply #39 on: 13 April 2011, 22:34:35 »

Apparently, the Electoral Reform Society, which stands to make 'loadsamoney' from a Yes vote, and is funded by the taxpayer, has been donating to the Yes campaign.

Think I'll vote No, then.  ;) :y
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