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[TheBoy]

Am surprised they never advertise these as 4x4 especially in this weather.   (Are they 4x4?)

Because they are incapable.

[Amigo]

Fronteras really are tack. Get stuck in a muddy puddle, the most placcy of all the 4x4s with no off road ability GM part bin build same as the Disco...AVOID.
    If you really need/want a 4x4 look at shoguns,troopers etc. If your'e never going off road after a while the bouncy ride, lack of power & handling, expensive tyres & transfer boxes/diff etc can kill the novelty of going to work & Tesco...or Waitrose.
    Costs Jag money to run & drives like a combine.  :-?

[encino]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said.

[doog]

Fronteras are pretty bomb proof actualy

See no end in the scrappies...

parked beside no end of omegas too 

Doug

[KillerWatt]

Fronteras really are tack. Get stuck in a muddy puddle, the most placcy of all the 4x4s with no off road ability GM part bin build same as the Disco...AVOID.
    If you really need/want a 4x4 look at shoguns,troopers etc. If your'e never going off road after a while the bouncy ride, lack of power & handling, expensive tyres & transfer boxes/diff etc can kill the novelty of going to work & Tesco...or Waitrose.
    Costs Jag money to run & drives like a combine.  :-?

30mpg out of the Bighorn (Jap version of the Trooper), fully loaded, Recaro interior as standard, Lotus suspension, etc, and has cost us £150 (tax & MOT) in the 5 months we have had it.

Starts first time, every time - and seems to make a much better job of getting from A to B in these adverse weather conditions than anything else we have seen so far.

Only downside I can think of is the cost of buying one to start with. If you can actually find one for sale (manual box with all the trick bits), then look at shelling out around £1000 for a 15 year old mediocre example.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Funny how people think Fronteras are pants, much inferior to something like a Trooper (ahh, nice Japanese Isuzu reliability, not like your Luton-built tat)

however, anyone recognise this?...



and who remembers the Monterey, which was axed because it was so rubbish, but hang on...



oh the world is a fickle place!

[KillerWatt]

and who remembers the Monterey, which was axed because it was so rubbish, but hang on...

Vx took what was already built, tried & tested - and f**ked it up in the process of altering it enough to try to make it look like they thought of it in the first place.

Not my thoughts or opinion, that statement is straight from the horses mouth (namely, Vx).

[TheBoy]

Funny how people think Fronteras are pants, much inferior to something like a Trooper (ahh, nice Japanese Isuzu reliability, not like your Luton-built tat)

however, anyone recognise this?...



and who remembers the Monterey, which was axed because it was so rubbish, but hang on...



oh the world is a fickle place!

Driven enough Isuzus on non tarmaced roads to know they are bloody awful offroaders.  And yes, I've done the 4wd courses.


Obviously, without a doubt, the bog standard landrover is still the king of offroad, but not the worlds most comfortable car to take on the road.  Discoverys - despite what AmigoMV6 says - and RRs are still the most capable of the luxury offroaders.  Even the original disco, despite being 25yrs old, will easily take you places newer 4x4s can't even dream of.  Even the not-so-little Freelander is pretty capable offroad, though not quite up to its big brothers.

[Varche]

The 4x4 of choice in rural Spain is the Mitsibuchi Pajero or the small Nissan. They are pretty scathing about anything else particularly Vitaras. There are plenty of very old series one type land rovers (Santanas) made under licence in Franco's era still left running. It would be a very cold day in hell before I had one of them!

We need a 4x4 for about 10% to 20% of our driving only. I can confirm that an Omega is probably the worst off road car ever. It also accounts for a lot of the problems we have or are having with the car!

[TheBoy]

The 4x4 of choice in rural Spain is the Mitsibuchi Pajero or the small Nissan. They are pretty scathing about anything else particularly Vitaras. There are plenty of very old series one type land rovers (Santanas) made under licence in Franco's era still left running. It would be a very cold day in hell before I had one of them!

We need a 4x4 for about 10% to 20% of our driving only. I can confirm that an Omega is probably the worst off road car ever. It also accounts for a lot of the problems we have or are having with the car!

Is that the Pajero thats really a Shogun, rather than the Pajero we used to get here?

If so, that seems to be the hire car of choice in Cyprus, usually in 2.8TD form. Had several of them. Hardly refined though. Good ground clearance, miles better than the Troopers, and faster. Still takes a lot of winding up to get 80mph from them, but guessing they are knackered, and Cypriot Diesel probably ain't all that (but is cheap ) .  Bit too much front overhang to challenge Britains India's finest - that I can vouch from experience 

[rossi46]

I though Pajero and Shoguns were the same, apart from slightly different spec?

[TheBoy]

I though Pajero and Shoguns were the same, apart from slightly different spec?

Think it depends on country? Thought our Pajero here was a smaller car?

[Kevin Wood]

The 4x4 of choice in rural Spain is the Mitsibuchi Pajero

I thought Pajero meant "W***er" in spanish, or is that an urban myth?

Costs Jag money to run & drives like a combine.

I think I'm with Guy, TBH. A 4x4 is at least as expensive to run as a V6 Omega but without the performance, handling or refinement. If you have a regular requirement to drive in tough conditions, they're obviously of interest but I'd rather stay home the couple of days a year when the roads are sh1te and have a nicer vehicle to drive for the other 363 days.

Kevin

[Varche]

The 4x4 of choice in rural Spain is the Mitsibuchi Pajero

I thought Pajero meant "W***er" in spanish, or is that an urban myth?

Costs Jag money to run & drives like a combine.

I think I'm with Guy, TBH. A 4x4 is at least as expensive to run as a V6 Omega but without the performance, handling or refinement. If you have a regular requirement to drive in tough conditions, they're obviously of interest but I'd rather stay home the couple of days a year when the roads are sh1te and have a nicer vehicle to drive for the other 363 days.

Kevin

I believe it means "pi**" I think. Whatever, it was a great example of poor multi country use badging.

Today was a 4x4 day here. Absolutely torrential rain again for 24 hours. Mud and rocks everywhere on roads, banks collapsed closing off one lane and so on. I am grateful though that it didn't fall as snow......

[Martin_1962]

Discoverys are VERY capable off road.

I have been in one doing it!