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[rogerreno]

Hi all,after driving the 'Tractor' once it would seem to have all the symptoms of the hot start problem that i've read about on the net.

Starts fine from cold with glowplug light on dash,then when warm/operating temp the glowplug light doesn't come on (is this normal when hot?) and takes a fair bit of cranking and a bit of throttle to get it going. My Dad thought this was normal  

Someone posted the same question on the VON boards and was met with the reply 'search the boards'.
Now thats ok,but at present for some reason I can't access the boards fully and wondered if anyone else had come across this???

I've seen something about a fuel temp sensor on the diesel pump that causes the problem but when I asked Vauxhall about this they didn't know anything about it  

So does anyone know where said sensor is mounted,what sort of a job it is to change and what sort of price i'm looking at???

I'm a techy by trade so doing the job isn't a problem,just that I have no technical info on the car whatsoever  

All answers on a postcard!!!

Cheers
Roj

[Marks DTM Calib]

There is no fuel temp sensor in the system, there is a coolant temp sensor and a fuel cut off solenoid (on the pump
Has it been slowly getting worse or has it suddenly happened?

[rogerreno]

There is no fuel temp sensor in the system, there is a coolant temp sensor and a fuel cut off solenoid (on the pump
Has it been slowly getting worse or has it suddenly happened?

As far as i'm aware its been doing it for some time,just that the my Dad not being clued up on modern diesel engines thought it was normal.

In fact he said it had new glowplugs last year for it and it didn't really make a difference...wonder why that is??    

I'm just one of these people that likes everything to work as it should!!

Do you know if its normal for the glowplug light to not come on when the engine is upto temperature or is this one of the assosiated symptoms??

[Taxi_Driver]

There is no fuel temp sensor in the system, there is a coolant temp sensor and a fuel cut off solenoid (on the pump
Has it been slowly getting worse or has it suddenly happened?

As far as i'm aware its been doing it for some time,just that the my Dad not being clued up on modern diesel engines thought it was normal.

In fact he said it had new glowplugs last year for it and it didn't really make a difference...wonder why that is??    

I'm just one of these people that likes everything to work as it should!!

Do you know if its normal for the glowplug light to not come on when the engine is upto temperature or is this one of the assosiated symptoms??

Glow plugs will only operate if cold engine......so its perfectly normal for no glow plug light when starting if hot.

Im not sure about diesel omegas but normally if glow plug light comes back on after its started it usually means glowplug/s fault......so he probably didnt need new glowplugs and anyway would only cause prolonged turning over when it was cold.

Heres a question.......has it ever had any amount of petrol put in it by mistake??

[rogerreno]

I couldn't tell you,I could ask,but i'm sure the answer will be a resounding NO!!!  
Then again,just had to replace front and rear discs and pads coz they were so badly warped that the gearlever shook in sympathy for the steering wheel under braking (and its an auto!! ) and my Step mum who drove the car daily never said a word,so to the petrol question's now down to a 'maybe'  

Why do you ask?? does petrol do strange things to the injection pump on these??

[Taxi_Driver]

I couldn't tell you,I could ask,but i'm sure the answer will be a resounding NO!!!  
Then again,just had to replace front and rear discs and pads coz they were so badly warped that the gearlever shook in sympathy for the steering wheel under braking (and its an auto!! ) and my Step mum who drove the car daily never said a word,so to the petrol question's now down to a 'maybe'  

Why do you ask?? does petrol do strange things to the injection pump on these??

I only ask.....and i maybe way off the mark....petrol can damage the fuel pump and give symptoms similair to yours......but unless its definnately has had petrol in it forget that idea...

Tho thinking about it i seem to recall Mr McB had a starting prob with his diesel.....but carnt remember the details   be worth asking him tho  

[Marks DTM Calib]

Whats the mileage, has it had 6K oil changes? (as per the service requirements)

[rogerreno]

Its done 145k and has been serviced by Vauxhall every 10k. I did mention the 6k oil change schedule to my dad today and he said 'No,it been done every 10k as per the book' It'll be getting 6 monthly oil changes with me coz I won't be doing the mileage.

I've had the car all day today (finally take delivery this Tuesday   )to fit front and rear pads and discs and to be fair its not as bad as it was last time I had it,although I think we're about due for a new battery  

One thing I did discover today that it could do with a pair of front wishbones,coz the bushes have gone REALLY soft   (plenty of front/back movement).  'But it was ok when it was MOT'd' was the reply.....yeah,so were the warped brake discs  

Is there any easy way of getting to the rear bolts?? Look like a right sh*te to get to and do new wishbones come with the balljoints included??

Looks like my cheap runabout is starting to build up!!!

Cheers all

Roj

[Marks DTM Calib]

New wishbones come with the bushes and ball joints.

My prefered option is to fit new genuine bushes but, that requires a press and the correct drifts.

Rear bolts are not actualy as bad as they look......

[rogerreno]

Rear bolts are not actualy as bad as they look......

Is that before or after you take the engine out!!!  

[Rob.]

The starting problem... does this happen all of the time or only when the fuel tank is low? the reason I ask is my 2.5TD doesn't like starting when warm if there's less than about 20-25 litres of diesel in the tank, there is quite a bit about it on VON but to be honest there is no definitive answer to the actual reason, just keep your tank topped up  [smiley=undecided.gif]


Rob.