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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #15 on: 11 March 2008, 11:23:21 »

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to confirm for james, it is the OMVL dream 21 system, my apologies for having no knowledge of this stuff, i know its probably not helping you help me much!

PICS: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1205229583

If they have sold this as an OMVL Dream 21 you need to take some action, I believe. OMVL dream 21 is an SGI system http://www.omvlgas.it/eng/prodotti.php# and that's not what you've ended up with. >:(

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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #16 on: 11 March 2008, 11:28:56 »

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If the EML is coming on the likelihood is the fuelling on LPG is out and it's causing the fuel trim to go out of range. Sounds like they just need to do a more thorough job of mapping the LPG ECU but check the points James mentions too.

Not surprising I suppose, it took time to get James' mapping right and if you're under pressure to get the job out the door I guess that's where it's going to fall down.  :-/

I'd take it back and ask them to improve it.

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I think I would ask for my money back and go elsewhere. Are they part of the LPGA?
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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #17 on: 11 March 2008, 11:46:49 »

Danny - As per my comments on the other thread.

Take this back, NOW. And demand a full refund.
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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #18 on: 11 March 2008, 11:48:07 »

it's going back tomorrow morning with this thread printed out
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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #19 on: 11 March 2008, 11:50:27 »

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it's going back tomorrow morning with this thread printed out

Take the thread from the gallery too.

1) They have sold you a mixer system, not SGI
2) It gets no coolant flow, thats what idle is lumpy
3) Its a single point injection to the airbox inlet... if that back fires you will get a lot of damage!

Refund now, and go DIY.
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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #20 on: 11 March 2008, 11:53:54 »

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it's going back tomorrow morning with this thread printed out

Take the thread from the gallery too.

1) They have sold you a mixer system, not SGI
2) It gets no coolant flow, thats what idle is lumpy
3) Its a single point injection to the airbox inlet... if that back fires you will get a lot of damage!

Refund now, and go DIY.

In addition, point out that they have stolen a coolant feed from a part of the car that is now no longer getting coolant. The throttle bodies have a coolant jacket for a reason, else the pipe would go straight to the header tank, no? Therefore argue not getting the required coolant in engine components could affect performance, reliability, and longevity...

I cannot stress enough, just looking at those pictures, I would be absolutely fuming if that was my car.... whoever set this up has NO knowledge of the Omega AT ALL

If they are in the LPGA they need reporting.

If they don't play the game - small claims court and trading standards. You cannot lose, and I will even accompany you on principle if you wanted backup!
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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #21 on: 11 March 2008, 12:06:26 »

The throttles are heated for a reason.....and that is to stop them icing....coz you dont want that happening in the open position.

Remember that the air temp in the UK regularly drops below freezing and because the Omega has a prety reasonable cold air supply it will get freezing air fed into the throttles.
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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #22 on: 11 March 2008, 12:36:55 »

Looking at it again, there does appear to be a vapour filter just behind the airbox elbow (silver cylinder), followed by a "Y" connector and two pipes leading off it. Maybe these go to 2 injector blocks hidden somewhere? How they've got them under the plenum beats me.

Still can't understand what the great big pipe from the airbox elbow to the vapouriser is, and the coolant plumbing needs to be sorted out, as previously mentioned. Proper flow from the heater feed behind the engine and re-plumb the TB heater as it should be.

So, give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe it's not what it originally seemed, but the fact remains there are issues which need sorting.

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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #23 on: 11 March 2008, 12:42:55 »

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Looking at it again, there does appear to be a vapour filter just behind the airbox elbow (silver cylinder), followed by a "Y" connector and two pipes leading off it. Maybe these go to 2 injector blocks hidden somewhere? How they've got them under the plenum beats me.

Still can't understand what the great big pipe from the airbox elbow to the vapouriser is, and the coolant plumbing needs to be sorted out, as previously mentioned. Proper flow from the heater feed behind the engine and re-plumb the TB heater as it should be.

So, give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe it's not what it originally seemed, but the fact remains there are issues which need sorting.

Kevin

If it's SGI, why are there pipes going into the air inlets in the first place? Sorry to sound dumb, I don't understand... :(

It needs to be determined, find the injectors and follow the gas feeds...

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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #24 on: 11 March 2008, 12:48:36 »

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Looking at it again, there does appear to be a vapour filter just behind the airbox elbow (silver cylinder), followed by a "Y" connector and two pipes leading off it. Maybe these go to 2 injector blocks hidden somewhere? How they've got them under the plenum beats me.

Still can't understand what the great big pipe from the airbox elbow to the vapouriser is, and the coolant plumbing needs to be sorted out, as previously mentioned. Proper flow from the heater feed behind the engine and re-plumb the TB heater as it should be.

So, give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe it's not what it originally seemed, but the fact remains there are issues which need sorting.

Kevin

If it's SGI, why are there pipes going into the air inlets in the first place? Sorry to sound dumb, I don't understand... :(

It needs to be determined, find the injectors and follow the gas feeds...



I'm wondering if the vapouriser needs a breather so it's been taken to the airbox just because it's somewhere clean and open to atmosphere. It's a hell of a big pipe though. Either that or the brass bit we're seeing on top of the airbox elbow is not a connection to the ducting, but a Vapour temperature sensor?  :-/

It's difficult to tell from photos what's going on, except to say the coolant side needs a bit of work.

Kevin
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Re: LPG Questions (finally got my car back!)
« Reply #25 on: 11 March 2008, 12:51:18 »

Danny your first job is to find those injectors, there will be a gas feed to them.

can you take more pics of what pipes go where etc?
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