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[3.2omegaestate]

Firstly, this site is an absolute font of knowledge for all things omega related, and thank you to all those who contribute to this excellent online resource.  On the recommendation of members here, I have been to Tony at Wheels in Motion (excellent and have recommended him to others). I have repaired sticking C/L solenoids and figured out why my alarm was playing silly devils (power sounder went U/S).

I hope some one will be able to assist me with a problem that doesn't appear to be documented anywhere.

I have a 2001 F/L omega estate with the Siemens NCDC2015 with the Nokia telematics (working) and CID (working) options fitted. I have recently subscribed to Traffic master which is picking up the relevant signals and the LED turning red or green when appropriate.

I need help with the traffic master traffic report, which I am not hearing when the system is triggered by a broadcast by trafficmaster. When I renewed the subscription I could only hear the unit code when I made a call on the car phone, with the traffic master interupting the call. Likewise, I can only hear any traffic master message if I am in the middle of making a call.

I do not receive any message on the CID at the time the message is broadcast or if I manually push the TM button to put it into manual or licence mode.

This suggests that that there maybe a possible wiring fault since my understanding was that trafficmaster should 'but in' and mute any other input source however cannot find any relevant wiring diagrams or help on the www.

There is no reference to TM either in the Audio manual or User Handbook

I have read that the set up of NCDC 2015 with TM is not ideal compared to that of the NCDC 2013 (courtesy of The Boy) and now wonder if the visual indication being the way the system is meant to operate, unless I make a handsfree phone call every time I want to hear an update.

Surely Vauxhall never intended this to be the case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any suggestions or information (wiring diagrams etc) please, I need to keep the TM and phone functionality

Thanks

Ken

[TheBoy]

It can be done - I have it in my MV6 (prefacelift, but similar setup with NCDR1500, CID, Telematics), but its not ideal, as TM will mute any ongoing phone call (you may be able to get around this with some kind of audio mixer though).


Basically, you have to interception the audio from the telematics, feed that though TM unit, then back to HU (or use a mixer to mix the TM audio and telematics audio). Also, the 'mute' line from the TM unit needs to be presented to the HU as well.

[3.2omegaestate]

Many thanks for the prompt reply The Boy. I should have added that  the set up I have is factory fit, ie. TM (I think) together with the telematics bpoth connected to NCDC 2015 H/U.

I suppose my question is - does TM take prioity over the telematics or is it the other way round,
for interception / mute of all other input sources.

Whilst I am not averse to repairing electronics (CID repaired (dry joint found on PCB closest to the screen), with the assitance of a couple of friends, the set up of the TM, telematic unit and the head unit seems to be odd if I cannot hear the messages unless I am making a phone call!!

Cheers

Ken

[TheBoy]

Many thanks for the prompt reply The Boy. I should have added that  the set up I have is factory fit, ie. TM (I think) together with the telematics bpoth connected to NCDC 2015 H/U.

I suppose my question is - does TM take prioity over the telematics or is it the other way round,
for interception / mute of all other input sources.

Whilst I am not averse to repairing electronics (CID repaired (dry joint found on PCB closest to the screen), with the assitance of a couple of friends, the set up of the TM, telematic unit and the head unit seems to be odd if I cannot hear the messages unless I am making a phone call!!

Cheers

Ken

problem is, the traffic master loom that Vauxhall use cannot work in the scenario you have.  The TM will have to take priority.



The HU has a single mono audio input.

The telematics has a single mono audio output, no input

The TrafM unit has a mono input and a mono output. When TM not speaking, input is connected to output.


So audio is wired

Phone  -->  TrafM  --> Headunit

This means the TrafM will 'mute' a call when TrafM speaks.

[TheBoy]

Just reread your orig post. Sounds like the TrafM mute line is not connected, hence why you only hear TrafM when phone in use (thus changing to aux in).

Note, the phone is connected via CANBUS, thus does not use the mute line, but the TrafM does

[3.2omegaestate]

Many thanks for the guidance. Sounds like I need to check the wiring which I will do when I get some spare time! I will post results when I have investigated further.

[VXL V6]

Just reread your orig post. Sounds like the TrafM mute line is not connected, hence why you only hear TrafM when phone in use (thus changing to aux in).

Note, the phone is connected via CANBUS, thus does not use the mute line, but the TrafM does

So that being the case (and knowing you have a nokia CK7W kit in yours as well), if the CK7W kit pulls the mute on the HU and the telematics happened to ring at the same time I assume the telematics would take priority?

I'm guessing if that's the case then it would be best to use the CK7W with it's own speaker just keeping the mute line connected.  :-/

[TheBoy]

Just reread your orig post. Sounds like the TrafM mute line is not connected, hence why you only hear TrafM when phone in use (thus changing to aux in).

Note, the phone is connected via CANBUS, thus does not use the mute line, but the TrafM does

So that being the case (and knowing you have a nokia CK7W kit in yours as well), if the CK7W kit pulls the mute on the HU and the telematics happened to ring at the same time I assume the telematics would take priority?

I'm guessing if that's the case then it would be best to use the CK7W with it's own speaker just keeping the mute line connected.  :-/

No necessarily - remember there is only one aux in on HU, so it depends how you've mixed the audio (nokia bluetooth kit doesn't have an input, so you have 2 devices that either need mixing, or relay to decide which one)

[VXL V6]

Just reread your orig post. Sounds like the TrafM mute line is not connected, hence why you only hear TrafM when phone in use (thus changing to aux in).

Note, the phone is connected via CANBUS, thus does not use the mute line, but the TrafM does

So that being the case (and knowing you have a nokia CK7W kit in yours as well), if the CK7W kit pulls the mute on the HU and the telematics happened to ring at the same time I assume the telematics would take priority?

I'm guessing if that's the case then it would be best to use the CK7W with it's own speaker just keeping the mute line connected.  :-/

No necessarily - remember there is only one aux in on HU, so it depends how you've mixed the audio (nokia bluetooth kit doesn't have an input, so you have 2 devices that either need mixing, or relay to decide which one)

On the older Nokia kits you could use the 'auxilary alert' line to drive a relay for switching circuits, alas the newer kits have dropped this facility.

[TheBoy]

Just reread your orig post. Sounds like the TrafM mute line is not connected, hence why you only hear TrafM when phone in use (thus changing to aux in).

Note, the phone is connected via CANBUS, thus does not use the mute line, but the TrafM does

So that being the case (and knowing you have a nokia CK7W kit in yours as well), if the CK7W kit pulls the mute on the HU and the telematics happened to ring at the same time I assume the telematics would take priority?

I'm guessing if that's the case then it would be best to use the CK7W with it's own speaker just keeping the mute line connected.  :-/

No necessarily - remember there is only one aux in on HU, so it depends how you've mixed the audio (nokia bluetooth kit doesn't have an input, so you have 2 devices that either need mixing, or relay to decide which one)

On the older Nokia kits you could use the 'auxilary alert' line to drive a relay for switching circuits, alas the newer kits have dropped this facility.

The mute line should be able to (may need some diodes to stop other devices activating relays)