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[Rods2]

I have had 2 x V6 Ford Galaxy and both have been outstanding - current one is a 04 plate and has all the kit you can need, intergrated child seats, climate control, DVD player, 7 full size fully adjustable seatbelts and you can move all the seats forward to create a big boot - and it also has a spare wheel under the rear of the car (same as the seat and the vw).  It also has tiptronic 5 speed auto box and it has only covered 40000 miles so far with nothing needed apart from servicing and tyres.

My friend has a Renault Espace 3.0 diesel - it is a great car in terms of the kit and features but the engine is it's weak point, 3 x head gasket failure and 2 x turbo problems.

HtH Darren

Yes, I got this wrong as all pre-2006 have spare wheels, the post 2006 update Galaxy doesn't and the post 2010 update for the Sharan and Alhambra don't either.

We have gone in the last 20 years from full size spares to space saver and now many cars have no spare at all. In the last 20 years I have averaged at least 1 puncture per year! So this seems like madness to me.

[OOMV6]

I have had 2 x V6 Ford Galaxy and both have been outstanding - current one is a 04 plate and has all the kit you can need, intergrated child seats, climate control, DVD player, 7 full size fully adjustable seatbelts and you can move all the seats forward to create a big boot - and it also has a spare wheel under the rear of the car (same as the seat and the vw).  It also has tiptronic 5 speed auto box and it has only covered 40000 miles so far with nothing needed apart from servicing and tyres.

My friend has a Renault Espace 3.0 diesel - it is a great car in terms of the kit and features but the engine is it's weak point, 3 x head gasket failure and 2 x turbo problems.

HtH Darren

Yes, I got this wrong as all pre-2006 have spare wheels, the post 2006 update Galaxy doesn't and the post 2010 update for the Sharan and Alhambra don't either.

We have gone in the last 20 years from full size spares to space saver and now many cars have no spare at all. In the last 20 years I have averaged at least 1 puncture per year! So this seems like madness to me.

Wow. That's shite. I can only remember having 2 punctures ever since I've had a license (1988)

[OOMV6]

I had a Grand Voyager for 3 years - 60k miles. Brilliant car. Would seriously think about buying another - based on real first hand long term experince of use.

good points - bags of room. Marshal 4x12 cab, & 6 passengers? - no prob. Easy keeping up with trafffic & charging up Welsh hills with family & friends inside & 2 bikes on roof. Had to get into the habit of driving with lights on all the time 'cos other drivers didn't expect you to come up so quick. No prob getting 40mpg - and with 7 on board that's equivalent to 280mpg  .   Make you feel like you're going on holiday, even if you're just going to the shops.

bad points - not enough damping against sway. rough sounding diesel forces you to keep the cd player on loud. get power doors unless you want shoulder / rotator cuff injuries. advise getting power tailgate also.

K

Thks for that, but Voyager is one that has been written off my list. My sister-in-law had one - nice enough drive, went well and all that. My main issue being, as you mentioned, the sway. When I want that sensation I'll take a ferry. 

[OOMV6]

I have had 2 x V6 Ford Galaxy and both have been outstanding - current one is a 04 plate and has all the kit you can need, intergrated child seats, climate control, DVD player, 7 full size fully adjustable seatbelts and you can move all the seats forward to create a big boot - and it also has a spare wheel under the rear of the car (same as the seat and the vw).  It also has tiptronic 5 speed auto box and it has only covered 40000 miles so far with nothing needed apart from servicing and tyres.

My friend has a Renault Espace 3.0 diesel - it is a great car in terms of the kit and features but the engine is it's weak point, 3 x head gasket failure and 2 x turbo problems.

HtH Darren

Cheers. Galaxy is up there near the top of the list. 

[OOMV6]

..... I am not one of those "I hate french cars" people.
Cheers

Why?   

Never owned one, perhaps?

Jesters 
Thought it might provoke a reaction. But it wasn't the (only) reason I said it. It's true. Lagana, R5 Turbo, Peugeot 205 (bit rattlely, admittedly), Citroen Berlingo (for work), Citroen Zsara Picasso all been fine. I do at this stage have to point out that some of these were not my choice but were the car for the lady of the house. Just the expected maintenance, never spend a cent more than I would have done with any other car. Much less than some I'd say. Except the R5 - brother put it on its roof.    Oh, and the Picasso stood up very well to having a car ram it up the rear at around 70kmh.
Anyway, with all the manufacturers joining forces, sharing chassis, engines, god knows what else, who the hell knows what "nationality" a car is?

[OOMV6]

Anyone have any useful (  ) comments on the Peugeot 807, with the 2.2 HDI engine? Going to look at one tomorrow. 2004 model.
Oh yes, it's French. Said it for ya. 

[Andy B]

..... I am not one of those "I hate french cars" people.
Cheers

Why?   

Never owned one, perhaps?

Jesters 
Thought it might provoke a reaction. But it wasn't the (only) reason I said it. It's true. Lagana, R5 Turbo, Peugeot 205 (bit rattlely, admittedly), Citroen Berlingo (for work), Citroen Zsara Picasso all been fine. I do at this stage have to point out that some of these were not my choice but were the car for the lady of the house. Just the expected maintenance, never spend a cent more than I would have done with any other car. Much less than some I'd say. Except the R5 - brother put it on its roof.    Oh, and the Picasso stood up very well to having a car ram it up the rear at around 70kmh.
Anyway, with all the manufacturers joining forces, sharing chassis, engines, god knows what else, who the hell knows what "nationality" a car is?

I've only just noticed the comments re my 'why?'
Perhaps I should've put a bit more ie
Why don't you hate French cars? If you don't.......... you should! 

If I had to have a French car, it would be a Citroen ID19 or SM 

[OOMV6]

..... I am not one of those "I hate french cars" people.
Cheers

Why?   

Never owned one, perhaps?

Jesters 
Thought it might provoke a reaction. But it wasn't the (only) reason I said it. It's true. Lagana, R5 Turbo, Peugeot 205 (bit rattlely, admittedly), Citroen Berlingo (for work), Citroen Zsara Picasso all been fine. I do at this stage have to point out that some of these were not my choice but were the car for the lady of the house. Just the expected maintenance, never spend a cent more than I would have done with any other car. Much less than some I'd say. Except the R5 - brother put it on its roof.    Oh, and the Picasso stood up very well to having a car ram it up the rear at around 70kmh.
Anyway, with all the manufacturers joining forces, sharing chassis, engines, god knows what else, who the hell knows what "nationality" a car is?

I've only just noticed the comments re my 'why?'
Perhaps I should've put a bit more ie
Why don't you hate French cars? If you don't.......... you should! 

If I had to have a French car, it would be a Citroen ID19 or SM 

Just a few months ago, I sold an ID20. Nice car, but just a little too much work to restore than I was prepared to do

[OOMV6]

It is something I'm looking into at the moment as economical transport to Ukraine with my stuff. So I would be interested to know how you get on.

All done. Got a satisfactory deal.

Test drove a 2004 Peugeot 807, 2.2 HDi today. The seller (independent dealer) has not has time to prepare or even advertise the car.

He will do a full service, change brakes all round, put on new battery and put it through the test. It has some scratches on the bodywork both sides and also on the colour coded wing mirrors.

Now comes the interesting part at the time. I said I have no money but do have a white Skoda Fabia estate which is a 2008 model (not 2009 as previously mentioned). In fact it was manufactured in 2007 but only registered a year later. All the extras, FSH, set of winter tyres, summers on alloys, test til next April.

Hmmm. Dealer was reasonably generous after looking up the guide price for the Fabia, but there was still € 1000 I would still need to pay. Knowing that he had not had to prepare the 807 and telling him not to bother doing anything with the scratches (which he previously said he would polish but not respray), managed to push him down to the Fabia + € 250 for the 807. I will also get a 30% discount on the cambelt change which is due in 20K km.

Will be ready mid next week. So we'll see .........

[Rods2]

Good luck, I hope you have got a good one as they have not got a good reliability record.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/peugeot/807-2003/

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=66663

[OOMV6]

Yeah, I was aware of such reviews, but equally aware of so many other reviews where the majority of people were happy. The one main thing that came out of the reviews I read what drivers being a little disappointed with the MPG. The car will be doing a minimum of 100km per day, then end of July off for the UK / Denmark trip previously mentioned.
I am also more than aware that the interior build quality will not be up the the standard of the Skoda (wow, couldn't say that a few years ago, could you), but we'll see.

[05omegav6]

If your not fussed about the badge and can stand driving around with a bag over your head so nobody recognizes you 

A Kia Sedona 

Well kitted out
Very big inside
Old style Merc diesel engines

Not as bad as you would think to drive in a rolly polly sort of way and pretty cheep too 

Shyte on fuel (for a diesel), middle row of seats is two single seats, back row is a three seater bench with a 50/50 split-WTF. Not much of a boot either... Guaranteed for 100k or seven years, just don't expect much more than that from it.

My money would be on an old shape(pre facelift)  Ford Tourneo. 9 seats cheap to maintain, alot more reliable than newer ones, 30+ mpg and no congestion charge

[05omegav6]

Oh well good luck and don't forget you breakdown cover

[OOMV6]

Oh well good luck and don't forget you breakdown cover

Indeed. Funny thing this breakdown cover game. Always have it. Pay around € 95 per year for European cover which gives all the normal benefits you'd expect including repatriation for myself, partner + kids (6 of us) + repatriaton of car, if it hasn't been written off.
The last time I needed any road side assistance was 1999 with alternator failure on the autoroute in France, near Dijon. Always worth having though whatever car you have - one tow of the motorway would cost more than the years cover.

[05omegav6]

Indeed or £750 to get towed from Preston to deepest Sussex

Although technically the water leak wasn't exactly a mechanical failure more of a driver one