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[albitz]

Already been looked at,many times.

[Dishevelled Den]

Theyve just finished an enquiry on Bloody Sunday,which took a decade and cost approx. £1 billion.Why would we need another one ?

I understood they were looking at prosecuting those involved.........

It would be very unlikely that anyone involved in the incident would face prosecution due to some elements of the Belfast Agreement of April 10th 1998.

[Vamps]

Already been looked at,many times.

On the news now suggesting 30 detectives will be on the case...........

[Vamps]

Theyve just finished an enquiry on Bloody Sunday,which took a decade and cost approx. £1 billion.Why would we need another one ?

I understood they were looking at prosecuting those involved.........

It would be very unlikely that anyone involved in the incident would face prosecution due to some elements of the Belfast Agreement of April 10th 1998.

I don't know what this is but I hope you are right, would be the Tommy who gets it for doing what he was told....lets not go there at the moment, we want them on one hand and screw them on the other.......

[Dishevelled Den]

Theyve just finished an enquiry on Bloody Sunday,which took a decade and cost approx. £1 billion.Why would we need another one ?

I understood they were looking at prosecuting those involved.........

It would be very unlikely that anyone involved in the incident would face prosecution due to some elements of the Belfast Agreement of April 10th 1998.

I don't know what this is but I hope you are right, would be the Tommy who gets it for doing what he was told....lets not go there at the moment, we want them on one hand and screw them on the other.......

The Belfast Agreement - or Good Friday Agreement as some know it - was supposed to be the route map by which those occupying each side of the political divide were to use to reach a point where normalised political discourse would be the preferred method adopted to deal with their long standing differences rather than the polarized, often violent, methods favoured up to that point.

Part of that Agreement ceded amnesty to all those people involved in political violence (convicted or not) up to the date of the Agreement; sadly, this led to some most of those who had been involved violence (including many murderers) being released from custody (where they had been imprisoned) on the condition that they forsook violence and adopted purely political means to achieve their desired goals.   

[blackviper90210]

I cant tell you the half of whats going on.  Needless to say that morale is rock bottom, people are going to leave in their droves.  There is an undercurrent of resentment as we feel somewhat disposable, you needed us when we were in Iraq and Afghan, times were good financially, recruitment was low and now that is over see you later tommy?  It stinks.  We do this job because we want to serve not because it's the only thing we can do.

Personally I wont get redundancy, rather they also are trimming numbers by restricting conversions of commission.  I get my last chance later this year and if I dont get it I am a civie next september with a half pension available once I reach 65. 

On the topic of common European Defense Policy...... not a fat chance in hell of that ever happening.  It has nothing to do with the soldiers, or the officers, or the ministers really.  It has everything to do with trade.  Every country has different interests and there is no common ground possible.  Anyone who thinks that it can work lives in La-La-Land. 

And tbh we may have the fifth biggest armed forces but we are so overstretched we are running hot, very hot.  I know people who have earned a single medal more than 5 times!  (guess what though, you only get one!)

After the gulf in '91 I was denied the medal due to being returned 10 days early so not did do enough "time" to earn it. 5 tours in Bosnia 1 medal, gulf 2 denied medal due to being returned 2 weeks early and still waiting on my Afghan medal from 2010! 

[Vamps]

Theyve just finished an enquiry on Bloody Sunday,which took a decade and cost approx. £1 billion.Why would we need another one ?

I understood they were looking at prosecuting those involved.........

It would be very unlikely that anyone involved in the incident would face prosecution due to some elements of the Belfast Agreement of April 10th 1998.

I don't know what this is but I hope you are right, would be the Tommy who gets it for doing what he was told....lets not go there at the moment, we want them on one hand and screw them on the other.......

The Belfast Agreement - or Good Friday Agreement as some know it - was supposed to be the route map by which those occupying each side of the political divide were to use to reach a point where normalised political discourse would be the preferred method adopted to deal with their long standing differences rather than the polarized, often violent, methods favoured up to that point.

Part of that Agreement ceded amnesty to all those people involved in political violence (convicted or not) up to the date of the Agreement; sadly, this led to some most of those who had been involved violence (including many murderers) being released from custody (where they had been imprisoned) on the condition that they forsook violence and adopted purely political means to achieve their desired goals.

Thanks for that...

So how can they now be talking on the BBC News of a Murder enquiry, suggesting that individual soldiers could be held accountable and charged?

[albitz]

I wonder when they are going to announce enquiries into The Abercorn massacre,The Oxford Street bus staion atrocity,LeMan house outrage, Warrenpoint massacre, etc. etc. etc...................after all,its supposed to be about fairness,equality,and reconciliation these days isnt it ? 

[Dishevelled Den]

Theyve just finished an enquiry on Bloody Sunday,which took a decade and cost approx. £1 billion.Why would we need another one ?

I understood they were looking at prosecuting those involved.........

It would be very unlikely that anyone involved in the incident would face prosecution due to some elements of the Belfast Agreement of April 10th 1998.

I don't know what this is but I hope you are right, would be the Tommy who gets it for doing what he was told....lets not go there at the moment, we want them on one hand and screw them on the other.......

The Belfast Agreement - or Good Friday Agreement as some know it - was supposed to be the route map by which those occupying each side of the political divide were to use to reach a point where normalised political discourse would be the preferred method adopted to deal with their long standing differences rather than the polarized, often violent, methods favoured up to that point.

Part of that Agreement ceded amnesty to all those people involved in political violence (convicted or not) up to the date of the Agreement; sadly, this led to some most of those who had been involved violence (including many murderers) being released from custody (where they had been imprisoned) on the condition that they forsook violence and adopted purely political means to achieve their desired goals.

Thanks for that...

So how can they now be talking on the BBC News of a Murder enquiry, suggesting that individual soldiers could be held accountable and charged?

I see this as a political exercise that may well result in charges being brought - mistakenly in my view – although it would be unlikely to result in imprisonment or other sanction for those (technically) prosecuted as a result of the police investigation due to those relevant provisions of the Agreement which deal with amnesty for ‘crimes’ committed before April 10th 1998.

[Nickbat]

Just read the BBC website report on this, which included the findings of the Widgery Inquiry including this:

Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness, Sinn Fein, was present at the time of the violence and "probably armed with a sub-machine gun" but did not engage in "any activity that provided any of the soldiers with any justification for opening fire"

Cough, cough, splutter.

Sometimes, raking over old ashes, can only inflame tensions. This is such a time, IMHO.

[albitz]

two minutes thirty five seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMFzYhCtZaY

[Gaffers]

This current Afghanistan is just a sham. When we hand it over having sadly failed, the Taliban will back at the helm within six months. Were all those lives and injuries worth it? Why didn't other countries help more if it was so important?

This is part of the reason for the low morale, this sort of 'dangle berries'.  Having read what is reported about Afghan in the papers and been privy to the truth I can understand why you think that.  We dont think that way because we can see whats happening for real.  And trust me you dont know the half of it.  The press twist and turn everything out here to a negative, including the positives.  So much so I believe that the press do it to scandalise the conflict here deliberately against our favour.  Whether this is political or just to sell papers I dont know but the gap between what is reported and reality is often huge, and it p!sses me off. 

Next time there is a threat to our national security we'll just sit back knit yohgurt, hug trees, do not to counter the threat and wait for the inevitable.  Read up your Qu'uran, you'll need it.

[Varche]

This current Afghanistan is just a sham. When we hand it over having sadly failed, the Taliban will back at the helm within six months. Were all those lives and injuries worth it? Why didn't other countries help more if it was so important?

This is part of the reason for the low morale, this sort of 'dangle berries'.  Having read what is reported about Afghan in the papers and been privy to the truth I can understand why you think that.  We dont think that way because we can see whats happening for real.  And trust me you dont know the half of it.  The press twist and turn everything out here to a negative, including the positives.  So much so I believe that the press do it to scandalise the conflict here deliberately against our favour.  Whether this is political or just to sell papers I dont know but the gap between what is reported and reality is often huge, and it p!sses me off. 

Next time there is a threat to our national security we'll just sit back knit yohgurt, hug trees, do not to counter the threat and wait for the inevitable.  Read up your Qu'uran, you'll need it.

The point I was making was that in my opinion all we have achieved in Afhanistan etc is to slow down the rise of the Taliban and terrorist groups. If the local security forces have been infiltrated by the enemy (witness the attacks on our guys by friendlies) then in my view the country will be back in the control of the bad guys within short time once the UK/US etc leave. I have no doubt that the press do twist everything. Britain has become a country of Spin and drama. 

[tigers_gonads]

Imho, the next front line will be the streets of our own citys and the people we will be fighting will be born and breed in the United Kingdom 

As for Afgan, forget about helmund and move the troops about 500 miles further east.
Thats where the real problem is 

[Gaffers]

This current Afghanistan is just a sham. When we hand it over having sadly failed, the Taliban will back at the helm within six months. Were all those lives and injuries worth it? Why didn't other countries help more if it was so important?

This is part of the reason for the low morale, this sort of 'dangle berries'.  Having read what is reported about Afghan in the papers and been privy to the truth I can understand why you think that.  We dont think that way because we can see whats happening for real.  And trust me you dont know the half of it.  The press twist and turn everything out here to a negative, including the positives.  So much so I believe that the press do it to scandalise the conflict here deliberately against our favour.  Whether this is political or just to sell papers I dont know but the gap between what is reported and reality is often huge, and it p!sses me off. 

Next time there is a threat to our national security we'll just sit back knit yohgurt, hug trees, do not to counter the threat and wait for the inevitable.  Read up your Qu'uran, you'll need it.

The point I was making was that in my opinion all we have achieved in Afhanistan etc is to slow down the rise of the Taliban and terrorist groups. If the local security forces have been infiltrated by the enemy (witness the attacks on our guys by friendlies) then in my view the country will be back in the control of the bad guys within short time once the UK/US etc leave. I have no doubt that the press do twist everything. Britain has become a country of Spin and drama.

Again, utter 'dangle berries'.  Have a spin out here and see the reality for yourself.  You'll leave with a different opinion which is no doubt currently formed from reading articles in said twisted media?  Can you not see where your point breaks down?