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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #30 on: 21 August 2012, 15:31:30 »

Maybe a wheel balance will sort that too..?

Oh no, wait, yes that's a GEOMETRY issue, isn't it. ;)


Although what wheels you running SMD?
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #31 on: 21 August 2012, 16:48:04 »

Early facelift elite 17" wheels
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« Reply #32 on: 21 August 2012, 19:35:10 »

Suprised cem ::) ::) ::) ;)

Joking apart, don't worry about your English mate - its very good.

Remember some members can be over sensitive and over reactive ???

this size is a factory fit (although other members also say that its very close) so there must be some problems in front setup.. so not surprised :) :y
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #33 on: 21 August 2012, 19:56:32 »

Does this car suffer from inner edge wear of the front tyres?

Has the camber been set correctly?

I was surprised just how much freedom of movement there is when the bolts holding the stub axle to the strut are loosened.
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #34 on: 21 August 2012, 20:17:16 »

What is the current camber setting on the car ? :)
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #35 on: 21 August 2012, 21:51:12 »

poor camber setting will cause contact, other than that there should be no contact with 235s.

245s will not fit.

expect 50% of the ground-level deflection at the top of the tyre.
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #36 on: 22 August 2012, 06:51:31 »

Owned the car over a year and half and it used to drive as straight as an arrow. Last month I replaced front offside tyre with a part worn to pass MOT. Noticed immediately car didn't drive straight, steering has to be turned slightly right to drive straight. Tyre wear is nice and even (which is a first) but I don't expect this to last now. No idea on camber setting as I never had it done.
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #37 on: 22 August 2012, 09:02:30 »

Small update,

Had the wheel off yesterday and noticed a shine on the centre of the shock where the wheel had possibly been rubbing. Tyre pressure is 2.3 bar and there is a tiny gap when on cold tyres so I'm guessing this increases when warm and causes the rubbing. Tyre looks fine.

I noticed a faint whirring sound on a motorway run yesterday, wonder if this is why (or probably because my pinion seal is weeping  ::) )

I have seen many old tires which has lost its perfect circular shape (not visible unless they turn above a speed) .. although may not give balance issues when loaded but  when you turn them on a balancing machine or on a car you can see some deviation.. so worth checking also..
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« Reply #38 on: 22 August 2012, 10:47:10 »

Owned the car over a year and half and it used to drive as straight as an arrow. Last month I replaced front offside tyre with a part worn to pass MOT. Noticed immediately car didn't drive straight, steering has to be turned slightly right to drive straight. Tyre wear is nice and even (which is a first) but I don't expect this to last now. No idea on camber setting as I never had it done.
if the wear is even I suspect there excess toe as well.

Needs FULL geometric set up.

So first, check all the steering and suspension parts for wear or breakages. Pay special attention to bushes, springs and ball joints, including steering idler.

Recify

Set up for full geo at Wim or similar.

Then fit any new tyres needed. Not before if possible.

(note, none of the above includes wheel balance :). )

« Last Edit: 22 August 2012, 10:49:10 by chrisgixer »
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #39 on: 22 August 2012, 11:12:03 »

Chris, the car was fine before the part worn tyre went on and car passed without any advisories so I assumed all suspension components are ok.

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(note, none of the above includes wheel balance . )

What do you mean by this mate, my brains not working.
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #40 on: 22 August 2012, 11:19:43 »

Chris, the car was fine before the part worn tyre went on and car passed without any advisories so I assumed all suspension components are ok.

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(note, none of the above includes wheel balance . )

What do you mean by this mate, my brains not working.

Wheel balance unlikely to be the cause :-\

The main issue with part worn tyres is that you have absolutely no idea what has happened to it previously.
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #41 on: 22 August 2012, 11:32:34 »

Chris, the car was fine before the part worn tyre went on and car passed without any advisories so I assumed all suspension components are ok.
Dont rely on MOTs!!

If a component fails an MOT, its usually beyond shagged. ;)
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #42 on: 22 August 2012, 13:00:55 »

Chris, the car was fine before the part worn tyre went on and car passed without any advisories so I assumed all suspension components are ok.
Dont rely on MOTs!!

If a component fails an MOT, its usually beyond shagged. ;)

True but if there was play in any components or needed replacing in the near future, woukd they issue advisories?
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #43 on: 22 August 2012, 13:13:05 »

Chris, the car was fine before the part worn tyre went on and car passed without any advisories so I assumed all suspension components are ok.
Dont rely on MOTs!!

If a component fails an MOT, its usually beyond shagged. ;)

True but if there was play in any components or needed replacing in the near future, woukd they issue advisories?

Maybe, maybe not.

My rear bushes were completely detached from their cups. Never a murmur at MOT time.

They are concerned that things aren't going to become detatched when the car is in motion, not that it will handle well. ;)
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Re: Tyre width, shock fouling
« Reply #44 on: 22 August 2012, 15:16:36 »

I have never seen an omega fail on front bushes, ever. That's not to say, or imply they never fail on an mot, they do. My point is, I have owned 5 omegas, 3 of which I would class as my own cars. But all 5 had valid mot's, all 5 had failed front bushes, 2 of which where re presented for mot in the next due date, both passed. When they shouldn't have done.

At the Wim open day, 13 cars arived for potential set up, all but one where turned away due to failed bushes. All had an mot.

Only failure I have had for bushes was rear donuts. Btw. It's fairly appalling tbh.

So no, never rely on an mot. Failed front bushes are hard to spot though, being fair to the mot guys.
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