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[Kevin Wood]

Problem is, any tightening up of regulation (and it's happening thanks to europe) would also turn into a "jobs for the boys" opportunity and before you know it you wouldn't be allowed to open your own bonnet unless you're a "registered automotive technician" who has done a week of training and pays a couple of hundred quid a year to some regulatory body.

I don't see any problems with the status quo, tbh. If a car's dangerous it won't get an MOT. If it isn't, why should I have to wade through red tape to maintain it myself (or even build it - try registering a kit car in France)?

Kevin

True....  But its 12 mionths between MOT's.  What other method is there to examine vehicles in the inetrim??

Don't get me wrong, I am not disagreeing with an officer requiring an inspection on a vehicle he suspects to be modified. Construction and use regs cover our cars at all times and if they are suspected to have been breached then it's only right for the matter to be investigated.

If modifications / maintenance required some sort of approval it wouldn't stop unscrupulous people doing them, and it wouldn't get them picked up any quicker than at a yearly MOT. It would, however, stand in the way of most of us who like to do quality work on our own cars and make motoring yet more expensive for little if any benefit.

Gliding has just come under European regulation, meaning I now need to seek out a licensed technician to do any job on a glider that's more involved than inflating a tyre. The previous system wasn't broken. Who would entrust their life to something they'd bodged or knew they were not skilled enough to attempt? If anything it's likely to encourage non-reporting of minor problems because of the hassle involved.

Kevin

[Minispud]

I prefer the analogy of examinining a Civic/clit/whatever whilst upside down in a field to see that the springs had been sawn through to lower it and then held in place by cableties....

Yes, it happened.

Yes, people died.

Yes, I prohibit vehicles that have been modded that i am unhappy with so that VOSA can verify all is happy and wonderfull...

As a parent, i welcome this...

And I DO NOT apologise for it....

 This car had a proper kit on it (Coilovers & 2 1/4" springs) not some backstreet hack up job, with a hacksaw and cableties.

fair enough.  Was he 1) able to see that at the roadside and 2) qualified to say that was all good?  Personally, I would rather that the man from VOSA who has all the tickets and qualifications regarding testing took any flack, rather than me.....

 Who's to say that the man from VOSA, would be able to say if the car handling would be bad.
  My other car is an E36 which I've got a list of Mods planed for it, 80mm suspension drop (coilovers) adjustable lower arms, uprated suspension bushes, bigger discs, 6 pot calipers front, 4 pots on the rear, Goodridge braided hose kit and 18" rims, now please tell me that it will not handle any better that a standard E36

[hotel21]

I prefer the analogy of examinining a Civic/clit/whatever whilst upside down in a field to see that the springs had been sawn through to lower it and then held in place by cableties....

Yes, it happened.

Yes, people died.

Yes, I prohibit vehicles that have been modded that i am unhappy with so that VOSA can verify all is happy and wonderfull...

As a parent, i welcome this...

And I DO NOT apologise for it....

 This car had a proper kit on it (Coilovers & 2 1/4" springs) not some backstreet hack up job, with a hacksaw and cableties.

fair enough.  Was he 1) able to see that at the roadside and 2) qualified to say that was all good?  Personally, I would rather that the man from VOSA who has all the tickets and qualifications regarding testing took any flack, rather than me.....

 Who's to say that the man from VOSA, would be able to say if the car handling would be bad.

The same man that says whether it would pass an MOT or not.......

[Kevin Wood]

Who's to say that the man from VOSA, would be able to say if the car handling would be bad.

They're the authority who say what does and doesn't go onto the road in the country so the buck stops there. Having put a car through SVA I can confirm that their front line guys are pretty thorough, and have plenty more expertise to back them up.

Kevin

[Minispud]

Who's to say that the man from VOSA, would be able to say if the car handling would be bad.

They're the authority who say what does and doesn't go onto the road in the country so the buck stops there. Having put a car through SVA I can confirm that their front line guys are pretty thorough, and have plenty more expertise to back them up.

Kevin

But they do not design cars / suspension set ups, Do they

[hotel21]

Who's to say that the man from VOSA, would be able to say if the car handling would be bad.

They're the authority who say what does and doesn't go onto the road in the country so the buck stops there. Having put a car through SVA I can confirm that their front line guys are pretty thorough, and have plenty more expertise to back them up.

Kevin

But they do not design cars / suspension set ups, Do they

correct.

But they do have the responsibility to say whats safe and whats not in day to day life.

Thats the (MOT) system, like it or lump it......

[Minispud]

Who's to say that the man from VOSA, would be able to say if the car handling would be bad.

They're the authority who say what does and doesn't go onto the road in the country so the buck stops there. Having put a car through SVA I can confirm that their front line guys are pretty thorough, and have plenty more expertise to back them up.

Kevin

But they do not design cars / suspension set ups, Do they

correct.

But they do have the responsibility to say whats safe and whats not in day to day life.

Thats the (MOT) system, like it or lump it......

 Did I question or have Question the MOT system NO, I stated that the police office had no idea what he was talking about.

[hotel21]

Who's to say that the man from VOSA, would be able to say if the car handling would be bad.

They're the authority who say what does and doesn't go onto the road in the country so the buck stops there. Having put a car through SVA I can confirm that their front line guys are pretty thorough, and have plenty more expertise to back them up.

Kevin

But they do not design cars / suspension set ups, Do they

correct.

But they do have the responsibility to say whats safe and whats not in day to day life.

Thats the (MOT) system, like it or lump it......

 Did I question or have Question the MOT system NO, I stated that the police office had no idea what he was talking about.

and I agreed with you.

The Police Officer then referred the vehicle to a testing station so that someone cleverer than whot you or I is can look at it.........

[Minispud]

Who's to say that the man from VOSA, would be able to say if the car handling would be bad.

They're the authority who say what does and doesn't go onto the road in the country so the buck stops there. Having put a car through SVA I can confirm that their front line guys are pretty thorough, and have plenty more expertise to back them up.

Kevin

But they do not design cars / suspension set ups, Do they

correct.

But they do have the responsibility to say whats safe and whats not in day to day life.

Thats the (MOT) system, like it or lump it......

 Did I question or have Question the MOT system NO, I stated that the police office had no idea what he was talking about.

and I agreed with you.

The Police Officer then referred the vehicle to a testing station so that someone cleverer than whot you or I is can look at it.........

 No the point is "The Police officer" said that because the car had been lowered, it's handling would be very bad.

[hotel21]

Who's to say that the man from VOSA, would be able to say if the car handling would be bad.

They're the authority who say what does and doesn't go onto the road in the country so the buck stops there. Having put a car through SVA I can confirm that their front line guys are pretty thorough, and have plenty more expertise to back them up.

Kevin

But they do not design cars / suspension set ups, Do they

correct.

But they do have the responsibility to say whats safe and whats not in day to day life.

Thats the (MOT) system, like it or lump it......

 Did I question or have Question the MOT system NO, I stated that the police office had no idea what he was talking about.

and I agreed with you.

The Police Officer then referred the vehicle to a testing station so that someone cleverer than whot you or I is can look at it.........

 No the point is "The Police officer" said that because the car had been lowered, it's handling would be very bad.

That was his opinion, based on experience or the prevailing law of the land in which neither you or I reside..

He then gave the opportunity to be proven wrong by getting the vehicle tested by others....

If wrong, avenue open to use the Sue City approach - wheres theres blame, theres a claim.....

[JonArgraig]

and I agreed with you.

The Police Officer then referred the vehicle to a testing station so that someone cleverer than whot you or I is can look at it.........

I get what you mean and yeah, Your right, the officer DOES NOT KNOW - so its refered back to be tested by the right people, at the road side the officer can't tell to what level its been done at, what if the set was so hard it was skipping on the road ? Ive seen plenty of coil overs set up badly, so badly there dangerous, no matter how good they look

[Minispud]

Who's to say that the man from VOSA, would be able to say if the car handling would be bad.

They're the authority who say what does and doesn't go onto the road in the country so the buck stops there. Having put a car through SVA I can confirm that their front line guys are pretty thorough, and have plenty more expertise to back them up.

Kevin

But they do not design cars / suspension set ups, Do they

correct.

But they do have the responsibility to say whats safe and whats not in day to day life.

Thats the (MOT) system, like it or lump it......

 Did I question or have Question the MOT system NO, I stated that the police office had no idea what he was talking about.

and I agreed with you.

The Police Officer then referred the vehicle to a testing station so that someone cleverer than whot you or I is can look at it.........

 No the point is "The Police officer" said that because the car had been lowered, it's handling would be very bad.

That was his opinion, based on experience or the prevailing law of the land in which neither you or I reside..

He then gave the opportunity to be proven wrong by getting the vehicle tested by others....

If wrong, avenue open to use the Sue City approach - wheres theres blame, theres a claim.....

 Ok so in your opinion, if you lowered your car say 80mm, then had all of the suspension setting adjusted so that the camber/castor and Toe was correct, it would not handle was well as a Omega on a standard factory setup

[hotel21]

snipped a shed load of quotes -
 Ok so in your opinion, if you lowered your car say 80mm, then had all of the suspension setting adjusted so that the camber/castor and Toe was correct, it would not handle was well as a Omega on a standard factory setup

In my opinion, stood at the roadside, looking at a car thats been lowered 80 mm from standard, I'm not qualified to make an opinion.

I then refer it to a place that is and take the matter from there.

We are going in circles now and I'm getting bored....

[Minispud]

and I agreed with you.

The Police Officer then referred the vehicle to a testing station so that someone cleverer than whot you or I is can look at it.........

I get what you mean and yeah, Your right, the officer DOES NOT KNOW - so its refered back to be tested by the right people, at the road side the officer can't tell to what level its been done at, what if the set was so hard it was skipping on the road ? Ive seen plenty of coil overs set up badly, so badly there dangerous, no matter how good they look

 You can lower your car by say 100 mm and still get the same level of comfort as a standard setup.

[hotel21]

and I agreed with you.

The Police Officer then referred the vehicle to a testing station so that someone cleverer than whot you or I is can look at it.........

I get what you mean and yeah, Your right, the officer DOES NOT KNOW - so its refered back to be tested by the right people, at the road side the officer can't tell to what level its been done at, what if the set was so hard it was skipping on the road ? Ive seen plenty of coil overs set up badly, so badly there dangerous, no matter how good they look

 You can lower your car by say 100 mm and still get the same level of comfort as a standard setup.

Is that on absolutely any car in the world?

Can I quote you?

Whats your engineering experience?

Do you work for a major car manufacturer?

A minor car manufacturer?

A kit car manufacturer?

Or an Airfix/Meccanno concession?

Nite Nite.....