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[TheBoy]

Fact is Tunnies tyres are perfect for him. Ask him what tyres are he uses and he'll happily tell you. The error then is, assuming he drives the same way.
Obviously there's no point Tunnie buying sport maxx tt from TB's recommendation either.

Indeed, our very own tunnie, bless him, demands tyres that are black and round, and made of hard plastic. Grip is of minimal importance to him - he will openly admit that - tyre life (from a running cost PoV) is absolutely his top priority.

I hate driving his cars, I struggle with his cars.

Likewise, although he probably doesn't have issues with driving my cars, he would hate the tyres' running costs.


He currently has Nexen N6000 on his 3.2. To him, I suspect they are every bit as grippy as a trackday slick. Having just binned a N6000, I know they are as good as most budgets, but no better. On an Omega anyway. Who knows how good they are on a small FWD shitbox.

[cem_devecioglu]

and we must not neglect correct pressure setting..

Of course. A million variables a test strives to remove. I'm sure TB will accept the perfect accuracy of any test. But as said nobody is concerned with the accuracy of a test in a golf or Merc, that has a completely different set up to an omega.

For example castor angle on some Mercs is approaching 11degrees, which is enormous and gives very lazy stable steering, where as omega has 5degrees. Much more agile.

While that doesn't change the properties of a tyre, it does change the result of the test bed. That being the car. A tyre is nothing without the car. Be it a shite BMW or otherwise

thats a good one Chris.. Castor angels will change the surface area..
 
but as I said all brands you use will loose surface area of touch so all will be having loss of grip

Good, so you accept different results on another car? That's all we're talking about really.
Further to that, we must then admit that a certain tyre will suit another car(and driver) better. Add in the human element and we then get another preference to meet in our tyre choice that a test can't replicate, again.

Chris you are British.. I cant race on words with you.. but you know that the meaning of different and proportional are different things
 
proportional means test order wont change

it will on an omega, if compared to, for example, a ford fiesta. Grip level of the specific tyre and it's properties as it sits in the shelf are set, obviously. But without the car it's useless. But any car will use that tyre a different way.

We are talking about matching the best tyre to an omega. For an omega. And only an omega.

Do one test in a fiesta.
Do one test on an omega.

You will get a different order.

nope..

Sorry, incorrect.

I have already said my piece on P6000, which I've used on multiple cars. I have also used GY NCT on different cars, and the results are the complete opoosite of the P6000.

The P6000 was crap on the Rover GSi, the NCT was quite good. The P6000 was awesome on the Rover 25 and the NCT bad enough that even Mrs TB moaned about it. And she's a girl!

father bought p6000 for his car when I was not there..  its not a test winner..  an avg tyre imo..
 
I have used contis (ecocontact) on a small car .. was as succesful as its large sporty models..
 
however, you cant find most high performance tires for small sizes.. I witnessed that for clit.. so I bought the test winner for that size and quite pleased with it.. so a direct comparison is hard.. never seen asymmetric 2 for size 15..
 
does the compound change with tire size.. ideally no.. but not sure for that..
 

[TheBoy]

father bought p6000 for his car when I was not there..  its not a test winner..  an avg tyre imo..

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does the compound change with tire size.. ideally no.. but not sure for that..

Doesn't explain why it was the worse tyre I ever put on the GSi, and the best on the Rover 25. And if all things are proportional, why the NCT was good on the GSi and poor on the 25. Same tyres, same driver, different cars

The Rover GSi and 25 actually were identical sizes - 185/55/15

[TheBoy]

does the compound change with tire size.. ideally no.. but not sure for that..

And if it does, then that renders every test out there utterly pointless, unless done with the size of tyre we are interested in

[cem_devecioglu]

does the compound change with tire size.. ideally no.. but not sure for that..

And if it does, then that renders every test out there utterly pointless, unless done with the size of tyre we are interested in

then you will buy the same size

[feeutfo]

It's the same story on bikes.

Fit Dunlop 207 gp's to a Gsxr it will wobble off into the weeds. Totally un useable can't use the power or the brakes as the chassis is unstable.

Fit 207gp's to an Aprillia Mille and it transforms the bike into a real weapon.


The difference is the geometry of the chassis.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

It's the same story on bikes.

Fit Dunlop 207 gp's to a Gsxr it will wobble off into the weeds. Totally un useable can't use the power or the brakes as the chassis is unstable.

Fit 207gp's to an Aprillia Mille and it transforms the bike into a real weapon.


The difference is the geometry of the chassis.

Some great bike tyres around these days. Dunlop TT100's and Avon Roadrunners were the dogs boll*cks when I first owned a bike. Laughable now.


My brand new 1991 FJ 1200  came with Pirelli Phantoms. Oh dear.

[cem_devecioglu]

whatever chasis you use for car or bike, tyres wont change their grip.. 
 
and if the chasis is crap all  tyres will be affected similiarly Chris.. what you state is against physics law.. and thats my last statement..
 
ps: I also dont believes tyres are made for this car b*ll*x.. its purely marketing for selling.. 

[feeutfo]

It's the same story on bikes.

Fit Dunlop 207 gp's to a Gsxr it will wobble off into the weeds. Totally un useable can't use the power or the brakes as the chassis is unstable.

Fit 207gp's to an Aprillia Mille and it transforms the bike into a real weapon.


The difference is the geometry of the chassis.

Some great bike tyres around these days. Dunlop TT100's and Avon Roadrunners were the dogs boll*cks when I first owned a bike. Laughable now.

for track stuff, it's all Pirelli super corsa's now. Mostly

[D]

OK guys, can you all not see it? We are a club of Omega Owners, some 10,000 strong. Can you not see an ideal opportunity here to collate 'experiences' (NOT figures) over the life of a tyre?


So rather than constantly disagreeing - we will never agree on the usefulness of tyre tests performed on different chassis - lets agree on what our findings are with various tyres on Omegas

Therein lies the problem. I certainly wont believe Tunnie's recommendations. I love the PS3, which you hate, so you wont believe my recommenations. Chris likes the SC3, but only the MO version, which is 91 rated and under specced for the Omega. CEM agrees with me, but others disagree. I suspect that collating thread will be the longest running debate ever. 

Within the groups of, excuse the non pc terms, but fast, medium slow. You'll receive more relevant recommendations though.

Hence ask a similar minded driver, and know your own mind as a driver, as to what tyres are needed.

Fact is Tunnies tyres are perfect for him. Ask him what tyres are he uses and he'll happily tell you. The error then is, assuming he drives the same way.
Obviously there's no point Tunnie buying sport maxx tt from TB's recommendation either.

Reasonable assumption, but 98% of men consider themselves to be driving gods. So trying to categorise onself's driving is like tyring to describe how big your pen*s is. Honest guv, 15 inches and growing every day!

[feeutfo]

whatever chasis you use for car or bike, tyres wont change their grip.. 
 
and if the chasis is crap all  tyres will be affected similiarly Chris.. what you state is against physics law.. and thats my last statement..
 
ps: I also dont believes tires are made for this tyre b*ll*x.. its purely marketing for selling.. 

a tyre can have all the grip in the world, but if the tyre doesn't work with the chassis it's useless.

And as for the second comment, absolutely. And tyre makers will work the results in their favour.

First hand experience is key. If objective.

[feeutfo]

OK guys, can you all not see it? We are a club of Omega Owners, some 10,000 strong. Can you not see an ideal opportunity here to collate 'experiences' (NOT figures) over the life of a tyre?


So rather than constantly disagreeing - we will never agree on the usefulness of tyre tests performed on different chassis - lets agree on what our findings are with various tyres on Omegas

Therein lies the problem. I certainly wont believe Tunnie's recommendations. I love the PS3, which you hate, so you wont believe my recommenations. Chris likes the SC3, but only the MO version, which is 91 rated and under specced for the Omega. CEM agrees with me, but others disagree. I suspect that collating thread will be the longest running debate ever. 

Within the groups of, excuse the non pc terms, but fast, medium slow. You'll receive more relevant recommendations though.

Hence ask a similar minded driver, and know your own mind as a driver, as to what tyres are needed.

Fact is Tunnies tyres are perfect for him. Ask him what tyres are he uses and he'll happily tell you. The error then is, assuming he drives the same way.
Obviously there's no point Tunnie buying sport maxx tt from TB's recommendation either.

Reasonable assumption, but 98% of men consider themselves to be driving gods. So trying to categorise onself's driving is like tyring to describe how big your pen*s is. Honest guv, 15 inches and growing every day!

That's exactly what I said. But in a much politer way D.

[TheBoy]

I would have thought that most OOFers are intelligent enough to know if they were driving gods, the they'd have a lucrative contract with a racing team

[D]

Not sure that is what you said chrisgixer. My point is that asking someone to submit a subjective review with a description of how they drive is bound to lead to people overestimating their driving abilities.

Its like the halfords website options if you choose to submit a review. All of them say that "they are willing to spend a little more as they are quality seekers". But this is what people choose even when reviewing a 99p screwdriver. No one seems to choose the "I am a buy the cheapest product kind of guy".

So my point was that you wouldnt get relevant recommendations if you asked for them, even from OOF. But I am willing to be proven wrong.

Apologies if my previous post sounds rude.

And Tunnie, I do apologise for my unwarranted references to you.

[cem_devecioglu]

http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/tyre-grip