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[cem_devecioglu]

Sadly not cheap
http://www.froogle.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/samsung/ue40es8000/sams-ue40es8000

But wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_VKRuhPKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I bought an ES7000 in june .. nothing to complain about.. only its price
 
ps: the idiots need to include a keyboard with that tv.. and I paid an extra for a touchpad mouse including keyboard
 
pps: sometimes it needs a restart like all pcs

[aaronjb]

I'd still go Plasma over all the alternatives (besides perhaps OLED) - I would have last time had a 70" Plasma been even remotely affordable.

[Marks DTM Calib]

I'd still go Plasma over all the alternatives (besides perhaps OLED) - I would have last time had a 70" Plasma been even remotely affordable.

If you want to remain in the out dated 20th century then be my guest!

[aaronjb]

I'd still go Plasma over all the alternatives (besides perhaps OLED) - I would have last time had a 70" Plasma been even remotely affordable.

If you want to remain in the out dated 20th century then be my guest!

With more vibrant colours, faster response time and better black levels? Yes please!

[Marks DTM Calib]

Which is not the case and has not been for close on 8 years.

Specs are one thing and real world another, plasma being an excited phosphor based technology is not able to support good blacks in real world applications and the pre-charge, charge, and discharge cycles requried for the individual pixels are a major limit on repsonse, LCD is real world much faster.

LED back lighting sorted colours years ago.

As said, old hat 

[Kevin Wood]

In addition, you need to think about the whole range of luminance. Yes, you might get a little backlight bleed on an LCD set if you're watching it in pitch darkness, but I've always found Plasma a bit dim at the other end of the scale whereas LED backlit LCD sets can deliver quiet impressive levels of brightness. Is the "dynamic range" actually any different?

I find a lot of plasma displays flicker, irritatingly too. None of that with a 400Hz LED/LCD.

[aaronjb]

Which is not the case and has not been for close on 8 years.

Specs are one thing and real world another, plasma being an excited phosphor based technology is not able to support good blacks in real world applications and the pre-charge, charge, and discharge cycles requried for the individual pixels are a major limit on repsonse, LCD is real world much faster.

LED back lighting sorted colours years ago.

As said, old hat 

Did I mention that I have a 3-year old Plasma (LG) and a brand new LED (Sharp Aquos 8-series) side by side? The blacks are better on the Plasma, no backlight leakage, flatter, truer colours (and yes, both are calibrated)...

Maybe if I'd spent another £1000 on a Panasonic LED it might be closer.

[feeutfo]

Some of the vary latest Tv's available today knock my experience into a cocked hat as its ages since I looked. We are very happy with our Plazma we bought at the time, as it kicked the arse of EVERYTHING else to my eye.

LCD LED may look good on paper, but that and retina burning levels of brightness don't fool me tbh. Especially looking through the net curtain affect those sets had at the time.

Passing those smart tv's in Costco though, purely from a picture point of view and forgetting the smart aspect, clearly things have moved in considerably since our last debate in the subject that I remember.


However I am highly warey of choosing anything to buy based purely on spec. It doesnt always convert into a good experience.

[cem_devecioglu]

before buying samsung I have watched+compared numerous models side by side..
 
surprisingly the picture is better than the original itself..      and if you have a samsung mobile you can watch videos and pictures without any physical connection..what the man didnt tell is that it sometimes picks your words and pass into command mode.. or if your hands are big and talking with hand movements again it passes to command mode

[SIR Philbutt]

Do your usual thing Phil and go to Costco and 'borrow' a few!!    Eventually you'll find one you like!! 

  Nice one. I am thinking of at least looking as it is unlimited (almost) return policy. But most are out of budget 

Panasoinc Viera's are about the best at the moment with the T5's coming with 5 year warranty to......OLED is way out of your price bracket sadly!

Got a 32" viera at the mo - but the internet seems to be wifi only so would be second choice

[SIR Philbutt]

Sadly not cheap
http://www.froogle.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/samsung/ue40es8000/sams-ue40es8000

But wow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_VKRuhPKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I bought an ES7000 in june .. nothing to complain about.. only its price
 
ps: the idiots need to include a keyboard with that tv.. and I paid an extra for a touchpad mouse including keyboard
 
pps: sometimes it needs a restart like all pcs

Definately a wow but really a little beyond what i'm after at the moment

Thanks

[D]

Which is not the case and has not been for close on 8 years.

Specs are one thing and real world another, plasma being an excited phosphor based technology is not able to support good blacks in real world applications and the pre-charge, charge, and discharge cycles requried for the individual pixels are a major limit on repsonse, LCD is real world much faster.

LED back lighting sorted colours years ago.

As said, old hat 

Odd then that I have yet to see a LCD that can keep up with a Panasonic plasma panel. Also 3D artefacts are so much worse in the LCD TVs I have tried. Much so that I have given up on 3d and LCD ever working effectively. LCDs are brighter, I will give you that, but on pure picture quality they just seem like the poorer option.

[TheBoy]

I wouldn't buy a CCFL backlit TV now as LED sets are every bit as capable, if not better, and the CCFL tubes and associated inverters are generally the least reliable part of the set.

Gotta agree, after having to turn my (5yr old in 4 days) Sammy with CFL after the front room filled wit smoke. I think it was telly, although I can't repeat the smoke. Could have been the amp, MCE or DVD player (all plugged back in and on now) or th Wii (which wasn't on).

Reckon it was telly, as I've noticed a couple of flickers, as if the CFL was going off briefly.

[TheBoy]

As others say, Plasma is a dead end technology, who's only advantage now (and for the past few years), has been a glass front (which is also a downside).

Too many LCD sets have really shitty electronic 'picture enhancement', which really need to be disabled.

[Rods2]

All these fast advances in TV technology, mean you have to be spending £££ all the time on the latest. 

Take my experience as an example, I replaced my 405 line black and white set when it no longer worked, but all I got at great expense was another black and white set, and I extra measly channel, BBC2, where most of the time when it started all you got was a child holding a card with loads of calibration lines and black and white colour scales on it. Okay at 625 lines the picture is a bit better, but it was not worth all that extra expense. 

I've been complaining since February at the loss of my TV signal. Apparently I need something called a Freeview box, an aerial upgrade, why?  I grown really attached to my wire coat hanger aerial and a TV with something called a SCART connector or a digital TV but they said I would get colour, high definition and more channels. What more poxy test cards, and I told them whats was wrong with 625 lines and whats so bloody marvelous in watching Charlie Chaplin and the Keystone Cops in colour, when I tried it on a friends colour TV I couldn't see any bloody difference. I wasn't getting caught again, so sod them, no more TV. Thats it I've told them.