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[Rods2]

# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;


Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.

Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.

[Kevin Wood]

# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;


Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.

Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.

Just bin windows and use a Linux desktop instead.

[cem_devecioglu]

# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;


Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.

Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.

Just bin windows and use a Linux desktop instead.

going back to unix derivatives..      I'll better use dos instead..

[Rods2]

# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;


Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.

Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.

Just bin windows and use a Linux desktop instead.

going back to unix derivatives..      I'll better use dos instead..

CP/M was the better OS, but they couldn't be bothered to visit IBM so they chose domesdos msdos from a start up instead. The rest is history.

[Bionic]

 
Better that you go nowhere near the new improved Windows 8 then.....It will blow you out completely. I have cancelled my pre-order after trying to get to grips with it during a trial. Must have been designed by a totally geeky monkey completely piut of touch with what most people want or need..........Believe me....its far,far worse than anything else MS have offered previously and from forum s it appears that the orders are the worst they have ever had.
Bring back XP...at least it worked! 

[cem_devecioglu]

Better that you go nowhere near the new improved Windows 8 then.....It will blow you out completely. I have cancelled my pre-order after trying to get to grips with it during a trial. Must have been designed by a totally geeky monkey completely piut of touch with what most people want or need..........Believe me....its far,far worse than anything else MS have offered previously and from forum s it appears that the orders are the worst they have ever had.
Bring back XP...at least it worked! 

I think xp was written before the programmers tried a new kind of crack.. 

[Kevin Wood]

Better that you go nowhere near the new improved Windows 8 then.....It will blow you out completely. I have cancelled my pre-order after trying to get to grips with it during a trial. Must have been designed by a totally geeky monkey completely piut of touch with what most people want or need..........Believe me....its far,far worse than anything else MS have offered previously and from forum s it appears that the orders are the worst they have ever had.
Bring back XP...at least it worked! 

Precisely the problem with most software, and a lot of web sites, these days. Eye candy rules! Employ some teenagers whose ambition outnumbers their ability by a large margin and tell them to develop some "cool stuff". Can't go wrong!

Software is a boring tool that gets a job done. Much like a kettle if you're making tea or a car if you're going somewhere. What predominantly matters is that it fulfils its' purpose and it's obvious to the user how to achieve that, surely?

Naah! sod it, I'm off to buy one of those kettles that lights up in all sorts of gaudy colours. Stainless steel is so uncool. 

[cem_devecioglu]

as the subject is related I want to mention about some historical facts..
 
before windows operating systems becomes widely used, the options were as follows;
 
IBM mainframes (assembler,pascal,cobol and jcl) , middle sized systems ; (if we regard AS 400) mostly unix and its million versions that even when you write C code you have to re-compile and re-arrange some segments of code   and dos where borland pascal was the most succesful imo..
 
in those days even transferring simple data files between those systems was considered a  "task"    let alone networking and communicating them.. and beginner programmers had to choose an environment which was mostly Dos as Unix was for pros
 
and mainframes were a different class..     and whatever project you develop you had to write all codes for communications ,networking ,file and data transfers and many other things from scratch.. in those days spreadsheets, mail systems were rare or even primitive compared to todays standards..  data warehousing,distributed processing many other things were beyond imagination..  you accept or not , like it or not microsoft ended all these mess and bring many standards.. of course there were other companies who brought succesful software into use..  but now you can find zillions of software that work both in large and small systems which can easily share data.. even your mobile.. thats a good achievement in my dictionary.. and most software development libraries are nearly standard and your code can work on a large scale of computer architecture without modification..

[TheBoy]

# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;


Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.

Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.

Just bin windows and use a Linux desktop instead.

Linux has a place in life. But its a woeful desktop, IMHO. In fact, as soon as X is installed on Linux, it all goes downhill

Cue the 'real men use the shell'


If you really want to use a *nix like OS, at least run a proper Unix. Have I mentioned Linux is shite? On the upside, its instability helps pay the mortgage

[TheBoy]

as the subject is related I want to mention about some historical facts..
 
before windows operating systems becomes widely used, the options were as follows;
 
IBM mainframes (assembler,pascal,cobol and jcl) , middle sized systems ; (if we regard AS 400) mostly unix and its million versions that even when you write C code you have to re-compile and re-arrange some segments of code   and dos where borland pascal was the most succesful imo..
 
in those days even transferring simple data files between those systems was considered a  "task"    let alone networking and communicating them.. and beginner programmers had to choose an environment which was mostly Dos as Unix was for pros
 
and mainframes were a different class..     and whatever project you develop you had to write all codes for communications ,networking ,file and data transfers and many other things from scratch.. in those days spreadsheets, mail systems were rare or even primitive compared to todays standards..  data warehousing,distributed processing many other things were beyond imagination..  you accept or not , like it or not microsoft ended all these mess and bring many standards.. of course there were other companies who brought succesful software into use..  but now you can find zillions of software that work both in large and small systems which can easily share data.. even your mobile.. thats a good achievement in my dictionary.. and most software development libraries are nearly standard and your code can work on a large scale of computer architecture without modification..

VAX. You missed VAX and VMS. That was big in the UK.

I cut my teeth with Sinclair computers, before getting a CP/M, then PC.

Programming - I remember the day Visual Basic 1.0 arrived, and after a couple of days scratching my head, "got it". I wet my pants, as Borland C++ was a mare to write Windows apps.

I suspect I was the first to buy Visual Basic for MS-DOS as well. Brilliant system. I know later (pre .NET) versions of VB had their critics, but I was a big fan

My brother's stock control and PoS still run under VB6 (long story, looming Y2K deadline, and his previous MS Basic PDS 7.1 based system I wrote in the 80's was most definately NOT Y2K compliant), and in my Win8 tests, still works OK (except some of the direct port IO for old hardware - that stopped working with Vista, as it broke all the rules ).

[TheBoy]

My brother's stock control and PoS still run under VB6 (long story, looming Y2K deadline, and his previous MS Basic PDS 7.1 based system I wrote in the 80's was most definately NOT Y2K compliant), and in my Win8 tests, still works OK (except some of the direct port IO for old hardware - that stopped working with Vista, as it broke all the rules ).

I really should get it on .NET, but its too big for the freebie converters. So I guess another rewrite is on the cards

[cem_devecioglu]

My brother's stock control and PoS still run under VB6 (long story, looming Y2K deadline, and his previous MS Basic PDS 7.1 based system I wrote in the 80's was most definately NOT Y2K compliant), and in my Win8 tests, still works OK (except some of the direct port IO for old hardware - that stopped working with Vista, as it broke all the rules ).

I really should get it on .NET, but its too big for the freebie converters. So I guess another rewrite is on the cards

I'm in the same position, have to convert an over 100K line source code to .Net but cant find the courage to start as .net reporting inner tools (activexes and others are limited).. you have to purchase a seperate product or develop some other things..  besides, I develop a common reporting tool for my self  that makes life easier..  developing it in browser environment is totally pointless as its too slow and browszer abilities are too limited..

[cem_devecioglu]

as the subject is related I want to mention about some historical facts..
 
before windows operating systems becomes widely used, the options were as follows;
 
IBM mainframes (assembler,pascal,cobol and jcl) , middle sized systems ; (if we regard AS 400) mostly unix and its million versions that even when you write C code you have to re-compile and re-arrange some segments of code   and dos where borland pascal was the most succesful imo..
 
in those days even transferring simple data files between those systems was considered a  "task"    let alone networking and communicating them.. and beginner programmers had to choose an environment which was mostly Dos as Unix was for pros
 
and mainframes were a different class..     and whatever project you develop you had to write all codes for communications ,networking ,file and data transfers and many other things from scratch.. in those days spreadsheets, mail systems were rare or even primitive compared to todays standards..  data warehousing,distributed processing many other things were beyond imagination..  you accept or not , like it or not microsoft ended all these mess and bring many standards.. of course there were other companies who brought succesful software into use..  but now you can find zillions of software that work both in large and small systems which can easily share data.. even your mobile.. thats a good achievement in my dictionary.. and most software development libraries are nearly standard and your code can work on a large scale of computer architecture without modification..

VAX. You missed VAX and VMS. That was big in the UK.

I cut my teeth with Sinclair computers, before getting a CP/M, then PC.

Programming - I remember the day Visual Basic 1.0 arrived, and after a couple of days scratching my head, "got it". I wet my pants, as Borland C++ was a mare to write Windows apps.

I suspect I was the first to buy Visual Basic for MS-DOS as well. Brilliant system. I know later (pre .NET) versions of VB had their critics, but I was a big fan

My brother's stock control and PoS still run under VB6 (long story, looming Y2K deadline, and his previous MS Basic PDS 7.1 based system I wrote in the 80's was most definately NOT Y2K compliant), and in my Win8 tests, still works OK (except some of the direct port IO for old hardware - that stopped working with Vista, as it broke all the rules ).

VAX VMS, my first job was too develop a database on it but short time I stayed as I found a private project with better funds..
 
CPM, long long time ago there was a system.................    
 
I still find vb6 most easy and productive environment..   

[TheBoy]

I'm just over half that, cem, 50k

Trouble is, the runtimes will get phased out, so just delaying it really 

But I don't have the time - I help bro out in my spare time.

[TheBoy]

I still find vb6 most easy and productive environment..   

VB.NET is more productive, a richer framework. But I still have a softspot for VB6.