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[Nickbat]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358279/EU-wants-migrants-to-take-our-jobs

 

[Johnny English]

A keyword has been sounded : "ageing population" , how would you fill up the positions if there were no people ? EU is ageing it's a wellknown fact. Untill it's sorted out immigrants will get the job they want. Anyway if I were you I'd rather choose immigrants from East-Europe than an African country. 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

As this thread about immigration is still running, I thought I would repeat my observations that I stated in another thread to try and 'explain' the basic point about this subject which so many 'white British' seem to forget when discussing this potentially "heated" subject:

The important point to make in any discussion about immigration, is that throughout the history of this nation we have been changed, and always enhanced, by constant immigration of new blood / genes.

Since tribes of ancient people crossed over the Dogger plains in what would become Britain, we have experienced the inflow, and outflow of what would become, or were, "Brits".  The Romans came, then the Anglo Saxons, followed by Vikings, with the Normans coming in quick succession.  Since then the British nation has been joined by numerous nationalities with the ebb and flow of Empires, with the British Empire 'encouraging eventual mass immigration after years of Brits emigrating / invading so many corners of the World, with slavery also a contributor as it is still in the USA.

Earlier global 'Events' such as the Roman, Otterman then later Austria-Hungarian Empires (the latter affecting the majority of 20th century history) and then them extending their fingers across the Eastern and Western areas of the globe, with lets not forget, the "Christian" Crusades adding to the movement of the worlds people, that of course affected the British Isles along with everything else.

World Wars have also added to the British mix of people with Britain becoming, proudly, a base for all democratic minded people to fight oppressive evil regimes.  This constant mixing will continue throughout the future as it has in the past with especially Islamic religion (which currently is causing so much controversy about immigration) working with, and changing alongside Christianity.  The former is evolving 500 years behind Christianity, with, to us as Christians, old crude ideals.  Christianity went through that process from our pagan background and has had many black moments in the distant past.  All will eventually balance out in God's world and we all will live in an advanced society where all creeds, cultures, and colours  of people will work as one.

This is the way Great Britain can flourish with new ideas and positive commercial drive, as it always was throughout our history, well certainly since the Romans.

[cleggy]

What if we don't want to change and have a country full of chocolate allah worshipping primitives.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

What if we don't want to change and have a country full of chocolate allah worshipping primitives.

Fate will decide the future, and no one person or group of people will be able to halt change and progress as history has taught us.

No one particularly likes change away from their comfort zone, but change happens in nature constantly, and so it applies to the human race.

Worry more about the super-volcano Yellowstone National Park in the USA.  Now that will be great change!;)

[Nickbat]

I see immigration as seasoning in a meal. Without it, we would have a bland land. The diversity of immigration in the past, brought with it undeniable benefits.

However, again like seasoning, too much can spoil the food, with the taste of the basic ingredient being completely lost. That is what I fear may happen here.

There is, of course, also the counter argument against the so-called economic benefits and that is the huge costs associated with the increased burdens placed upon our infrastructure of housing, hospitals, schools, etc.

Our tiny island cannot take unchecked mass immigration. A simple fact, IMHO.   

[cleggy]

More worrying to me is the fact that British born muslims commit terrorists acts in this country.

A natural event cannot be prevented, immigration and it's ideology can.

[cem_devecioglu]

What if we don't want to change and have a country full of chocolate allah worshipping primitives.

     if you say this in a muslim country.. you will be hanged by the balls
 
 
 

[cem_devecioglu]

More worrying to me is the fact that British born muslims commit terrorists acts in this country.

A natural event cannot be prevented, immigration and it's ideology can.

nope.. they will come with their minds,beliefs and feelings.. and even the later generations wont be very different, I'm afraid ..because they take the education from their parents..

[Lizzie_Zoom]

More worrying to me is the fact that British born muslims commit terrorists acts in this country.

A natural event cannot be prevented, immigration and it's ideology can.

LOL

Remember Guy Fawkes and his conspirators were all white British, as were the later Chartists who carried out all kinds of acts of 'terrorism' in their drive for rights and freedom.

[cleggy]

More worrying to me is the fact that British born muslims commit terrorists acts in this country.

A natural event cannot be prevented, immigration and it's ideology can.

nope.. they will come with their minds,beliefs and feelings.. and even the later generations wont be very different, I'm afraid ..because they take the education from their parents..

Not if we didn't let them here in the first place 

[cleggy]

More worrying to me is the fact that British born muslims commit terrorists acts in this country.

A natural event cannot be prevented, immigration and it's ideology can.

LOL

Remember Guy Fawkes and his conspirators were all white British, as were the later Chartists who carried out all kinds of acts of 'terrorism' in their drive for rights and freedom.

Bloody Catholics now, is that were the primitive muslims got their ideas from.  

[Lizzie_Zoom]

More worrying to me is the fact that British born muslims commit terrorists acts in this country.

A natural event cannot be prevented, immigration and it's ideology can.

LOL

Remember Guy Fawkes and his conspirators were all white British, as were the later Chartists who carried out all kinds of acts of 'terrorism' in their drive for rights and freedom.

Bloody Catholics now, is that were the primitive muslims got their ideas from.  

 

[Rods2]

Islam is not a religion in the sense of Christian and other religions. It is a total way of life. The brain washing starts young, this is why many fail to integrate into Western society and some become terrorists.

Sadly, history teaches us that it is always the radicals that will lead the rest.

Spain was largely a Muslim country in the middle ages, but had a "Western" liberal version of it, until North African / Middle Eastern radicals came along and radicalized it as a middle ages Taliban. It was a Christian invasion that freed Spain and it became a Christian country again. Muslim radicals have vowed to make it a radical Muslim state again on the basis of once a Muslim state always a Muslim state.

The history of the Islamic religion is not one of passive integration. If it was then 7/7 would not have happened.

The last time we had this level of immigration and a change to this country was 1066 and that was not a good time for the natives. This is why you will find no churches or many historical building older than the 10th century as they were almost all systematically destroyed by the Normans as part of imposing their way of life on us.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Islam is not a religion in the sense of Christian and other religions. It is a total way of life. The brain washing starts young, this is why many fail to integrate into Western society and some become terrorists.

Sadly, history teaches us that it is always the radicals that will lead the rest.

Spain was largely a Muslim country in the middle ages, but had a "Western" liberal version of it, until North African / Middle Eastern radicals came along and radicalized it as a middle ages Taliban. It was a Christian invasion that freed Spain and it became a Christian country again. Muslim radicals have vowed to make it a radical Muslim state again on the basis of once a Muslim state always a Muslim state.

The history of the Islamic religion is not one of passive integration. If it was then 7/7 would not have happened.

The last time we had this level of immigration and a change to this country was 1066 and that was not a good time for the natives. This is why you will find no churches or many historical building older than the 10th century as they were almost all systematically destroyed by the Normans as part of imposing their way of life on us.

The interesting thing about the Normans was they conquered countries throughout Europe, including Britain, in a brutal way, but then post the "revolution" (the Saxons of course had been foreigners to Britain) they always allowed the local religions / customs to carry on, providing just the administration and government. Indeed, there are examples of Islamic, Christian and pagan worship taking place side by side throughout the Norman extended empire.

As for the churches, before the Normans set about building the great Cathedrals we know today, they were relatively small and represented today by the many Saxon churches still standing.  In fact there are also even earlier examples, such as St. Martin's church in Canterbury that date from the establishment of the Christian faith in Britain during the 6th century.

The Normans also created, apart from other castles, the original keep of the Tower of London, and how British that now is!

No, the Normans were very good for Britain overall, although the Saxon's wouldn't agree!   In fact it was Henry VIII who destroyed far more churches, cathedrals, monasteries, etc, in his little dispute with the Roman Catholic Church!