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Re: Big influx of Eastern Europeans predicted
« Reply #45 on: 15 November 2012, 18:25:18 »

Them bloody catholics again ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #46 on: 15 November 2012, 18:46:26 »

Some fascinating posts from Lizzie Zoom today on this thread.

I feel like I've learned a fair bit about the history of this land, thank you.

Makes a nice change from fear and prejudice.    :)
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« Reply #47 on: 15 November 2012, 18:50:12 »

Some fascinating posts from Lizzie Zoom today on this thread.

I feel like I've learned a fair bit about the history of this land, thank you.

Makes a nice change from fear and prejudice.    :)

Thank you :y

My aim is to provide a balanced, historical factual (as to the best of my knowledge) statement without fear, prejudiced and hate.  We MUST NEVER repeat the mistakes of the last century.
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cleggy

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Re: Big influx of Eastern Europeans predicted
« Reply #48 on: 15 November 2012, 19:16:37 »

So Lizzie you're happy with SHRIA law !! :o :o
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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #49 on: 15 November 2012, 19:27:44 »

So Lizzie you're happy with SHRIA law !! :o :o

No, but that is pure scaremongering.

Most Muslim countries do not want that law; in Britain they want British law.
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« Reply #50 on: 16 November 2012, 06:41:01 »

Sorry Lizzie but sharia law is already practised in this country by muslims. I note that you say that you don't want it but if we don't stop it it can only grow. The muslim community grow at a rate that will see some of  our cities having a larger majority than the indigenous population with the result that the elected representatives both local and national will be able to push their stoneage values.
It is not scare mongering it is fact and not something I want for my grandchildren, no allah akbar in this once great country. Well is was before the bleeding heart liberals got involved
I know the thread was about Eastern Europeans but this place is full so no more. Just for the record I have no issues with any people coming to this country if they work, integrate, contribute, uphold our values, speak our language and do not try to change us .

 
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Re: Big influx of Eastern Europeans predicted
« Reply #51 on: 16 November 2012, 07:08:56 »

Sorry Lizzie but sharia law is already practised in this country by muslims. I note that you say that you don't want it but if we don't stop it it can only grow. The muslim community grow at a rate that will see some of  our cities having a larger majority than the indigenous population with the result that the elected representatives both local and national will be able to push their stoneage values.
It is not scare mongering it is fact and not something I want for my grandchildren, no allah akbar in this once great country. Well is was before the bleeding heart liberals got involved
I know the thread was about Eastern Europeans but this place is full so no more. Just for the record I have no issues with any people coming to this country if they work, integrate, contribute, uphold our values, speak our language and do not try to change us .

Spotted !  :y  It is not issue for Europeans but definiately for muslims. Here is an examp how sophicticated methods they have taken from Hungary where also exists islamic community.The leader of them is a member of the Hungarian Christian-Democratic Party  :o where he is voting for his own party if needed (not always!) then the question of Muslims he is able to replace higher and higher level all the time. I still say though if we had enough baby more than muslims have it wouldn't cause any problem. This is the trouble of you, too !
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« Reply #52 on: 16 November 2012, 08:27:23 »

I respect all your views and identify with your fears.

However, please think about the fact that Christianity will only weaken in the Country if YOU as the general public allow it. Go to church more, speak out about on Christian values around every topics, support the Church of England or the Catholic Church if you really are concerned about other religions taking control.  Then and only then can you rightly say you are afraid of another religions influx into this country!

As another point also consider Islamic teaching revolve around there being just one God, as with the Christian Church, and that religion recognises Jesus Christ, but as a Prophet, not as the son of God.  When you actually read the Holy Qur'an you will see that the teachings correlate closely with those in the Holly Bible. 

There is nothing to fear from true Islam, apart from how certain people interpret the meanings, that has transpired over time.  Just consider as to how currently the Christian Church has strong elements who oppose women bishops, same sex marriage and homosexuality.  Those individuals would love to impose their beliefs on all of us, which they think can be based on Bible teachings, just as you fear Islam would.  But that only actually transpires if you all, the great people of this country allow it.  Then also think how our pagan ancestors felt when Christianity entered the country all those centuries ago, but actually that religion still exists out there, living alongside all other religions.

I would also comment on the statement that "Islam is not a religion but a way of life".  ALL religions, which Islam is most certainly, ARE a way of life, dictating the way people act, their morals, principles, their judgments, what they do and when.  True Christians, as I try to be as a Child of God, follow a certain way of life, as my adopted people the Maltese  do, living their lives around their religion with everything considering the Holy Mary. Everywhere you will see little shrines dedicated to her, even on the old buses, and Maltese dutifully crossing themselves in front of them (who wouldn't when going on Maltese roads!!) and a set annual calender of Church festivaties, with street parades.  They live their lives around the Catholic Church, talking regularly to the priest to seek guidance on how they should live, and of course receiving confession.

In Britain we are a far more secular society, but there are still strong Church elements that rule our lives, dictate our laws, and lay down the way we should truly live within God's love.  The ten commandments greatly influence our laws, and mean for instance we cannot go around killing our fellow man without due punishment. No, as for the last 500 years, the Church of England has worked alongside the monarchy and our government to administer the country, forming the way we live.

To consider that Islam is somehow detrimental to our way of life is far from the truth. They, and us, will continue to try and obey God's laws, with the teachings of Jesus Christ or Mohamed being used as a base to justify our actions.  As already stated the teaching held within both the Holy Bible and the Holy Qur'an are so similar the differences are not worth considering.  The only true concern would be as to how certain individuals interupt the teachings, but that, as stated previously, is true of the Christian Church as well.

In conclusion all I am concerned with is how the general public, mankind, act to either support the British Democracy or not, how they live, how they following the path of greed and evil pursuit, or not.  Religions do not concern me as I do not belong to one, but try and understand all as a Child of God privately worshiping him directly and working towards implementing my life according to his laws.

To fear other religions is a severe weakness, and remember it has caused mass hysteria before in this country alone with countless innocent victims suffering as a result. Wars, public burning, hangings, and other gruesome events have marred our history.  Do not let this happen again for the sake of our children, grandchildren, and those to come.  God bless us.  Believe in him fully and you will have no fear.
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Re: Big influx of Eastern Europeans predicted
« Reply #53 on: 16 November 2012, 08:58:52 »

Well I'm glad I'm an ATHEIST and don't believe in the brain washing relegions just object to their evil practices.
The bible is just a library of books with some great stories, I guess the koran is the same load of crap I would happily burn both. Then we'll see the primitive reactions of those you seem to welcome and not worry about. The argument may be about the teachings of the real Islam being good, the trouble is those that believe that do not speak out against the radical clerics who preach jihad on the the infidel, I.E us. They are an insular society in out midst. BE WARNED I don't think you suit a burka ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D

My views on immigration are above we got ourselves into this mess time we put a stop to it. I agree with Johnny English  :y
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« Reply #54 on: 16 November 2012, 09:15:56 »

Sorry Lizzie but sharia law is already practised in this country by muslims. I note that you say that you don't want it but if we don't stop it it can only grow. The muslim community grow at a rate that will see some of  our cities having a larger majority than the indigenous population with the result that the elected representatives both local and national will be able to push their stoneage values.
It is not scare mongering it is fact and not something I want for my grandchildren, no allah akbar in this once great country. Well is was before the bleeding heart liberals got involved
I know the thread was about Eastern Europeans but this place is full so no more. Just for the record I have no issues with any people coming to this country if they work, integrate, contribute, uphold our values, speak our language and do not try to change us .

Spotted !  :y  It is not issue for Europeans but definiately for muslims. Here is an examp how sophicticated methods they have taken from Hungary where also exists islamic community.The leader of them is a member of the Hungarian Christian-Democratic Party  :o where he is voting for his own party if needed (not always!) then the question of Muslims he is able to replace higher and higher level all the time. I still say though if we had enough baby more than muslims have it wouldn't cause any problem. This is the trouble of you, too !

thats not possible..  :-X
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cem_devecioglu

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« Reply #55 on: 16 November 2012, 09:18:28 »

and sooner than you expect you will see that this community will decide who will be your next prime minister :-\
 
and politicians will try every way to take their votes :(
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Re: Big influx of Eastern Europeans predicted
« Reply #56 on: 16 November 2012, 09:26:08 »

I respect all your views and identify with your fears.

However, please think about the fact that Christianity will only weaken in the Country if YOU as the general public allow it. Go to church more, speak out about on Christian values around every topics, support the Church of England or the Catholic Church if you really are concerned about other religions taking control.  Then and only then can you rightly say you are afraid of another religions influx into this country!

As another point also consider Islamic teaching revolve around there being just one God, as with the Christian Church, and that religion recognises Jesus Christ, but as a Prophet, not as the son of God.  When you actually read the Holy Qur'an you will see that the teachings correlate closely with those in the Holly Bible. 

There is nothing to fear from true Islam, apart from how certain people interpret the meanings, that has transpired over time.  Just consider as to how currently the Christian Church has strong elements who oppose women bishops, same sex marriage and homosexuality.  Those individuals would love to impose their beliefs on all of us, which they think can be based on Bible teachings, just as you fear Islam would.  But that only actually transpires if you all, the great people of this country allow it.  Then also think how our pagan ancestors felt when Christianity entered the country all those centuries ago, but actually that religion still exists out there, living alongside all other religions.

I would also comment on the statement that "Islam is not a religion but a way of life".  ALL religions, which Islam is most certainly, ARE a way of life, dictating the way people act, their morals, principles, their judgments, what they do and when.  True Christians, as I try to be as a Child of God, follow a certain way of life, as my adopted people the Maltese  do, living their lives around their religion with everything considering the Holy Mary. Everywhere you will see little shrines dedicated to her, even on the old buses, and Maltese dutifully crossing themselves in front of them (who wouldn't when going on Maltese roads!!) and a set annual calender of Church festivaties, with street parades.  They live their lives around the Catholic Church, talking regularly to the priest to seek guidance on how they should live, and of course receiving confession.

In Britain we are a far more secular society, but there are still strong Church elements that rule our lives, dictate our laws, and lay down the way we should truly live within God's love.  The ten commandments greatly influence our laws, and mean for instance we cannot go around killing our fellow man without due punishment. No, as for the last 500 years, the Church of England has worked alongside the monarchy and our government to administer the country, forming the way we live.

To consider that Islam is somehow detrimental to our way of life is far from the truth. They, and us, will continue to try and obey God's laws, with the teachings of Jesus Christ or Mohamed being used as a base to justify our actions.  As already stated the teaching held within both the Holy Bible and the Holy Qur'an are so similar the differences are not worth considering.  The only true concern would be as to how certain individuals interupt the teachings, but that, as stated previously, is true of the Christian Church as well.

In conclusion all I am concerned with is how the general public, mankind, act to either support the British Democracy or not, how they live, how they following the path of greed and evil pursuit, or not.  Religions do not concern me as I do not belong to one, but try and understand all as a Child of God privately worshiping him directly and working towards implementing my life according to his laws.

To fear other religions is a severe weakness, and remember it has caused mass hysteria before in this country alone with countless innocent victims suffering as a result. Wars, public burning, hangings, and other gruesome events have marred our history.  Do not let this happen again for the sake of our children, grandchildren, and those to come.  God bless us.  Believe in him fully and you will have no fear.

 :)  Lizzie you are very nice but I wish you lived in a different environment..  And I dont know what copy you read , try to find another one and read this carefully :-X :y
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Re: Big influx of Eastern Europeans predicted
« Reply #57 on: 16 November 2012, 10:15:15 »

Well I'm glad I'm an ATHEIST and don't believe in the brain washing relegions just object to their evil practices.
The bible is just a library of books with some great stories, I guess the koran is the same load of crap I would happily burn both. Then we'll see the primitive reactions of those you seem to welcome and not worry about. The argument may be about the teachings of the real Islam being good, the trouble is those that believe that do not speak out against the radical clerics who preach jihad on the the infidel, I.E us. They are an insular society in out midst. BE WARNED I don't think you suit a burka ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D

My views on immigration are above we got ourselves into this mess time we put a stop to it. I agree with Johnny English  :y

  :y

and sooner than you expect you will see that this community will decide who will be your next prime minister :-\
 
and politicians will try every way to take their votes :(

I know about an informal statistics I couldn't believe my eyes when looking details in point of birth rating and numbers of children at elementary school and kindergarten so I must say if you aren't careful now will have serious issues in the close future. If I wanted to compose exactly I'd say: in time of your child or grandchild... :(  All of my respect for ideas that sound really good eg freedom, equality and so on but unfortunately reality is different namely these ideas nowadays went to a simple mask can be worn by anybody who have enough money and have special goals never shared with us simple people. Immigration is not from devil but number of immigrants have to be limited strictly they must give up his own culture included language, family relations, business interests and so on. No other way for them to be assimilated completely. If somebody really want to go a really Briton and want much better life for children of theirs own then easy stuff to do. If they have special reasons to be in England they'll never give up the things mentioned above. And at this point I finished off as this discussion seems endless ... :) in this thread I had posted much more than my English knowledge would have allowed me... :D   

thx for reading   

Laszlo,  Hungary :y

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« Reply #58 on: 16 November 2012, 10:21:14 »

Well I'm glad I'm an ATHEIST and don't believe in the brain washing relegions just object to their evil practices.
The bible is just a library of books with some great stories, I guess the koran is the same load of crap I would happily burn both. Then we'll see the primitive reactions of those you seem to welcome and not worry about. The argument may be about the teachings of the real Islam being good, the trouble is those that believe that do not speak out against the radical clerics who preach jihad on the the infidel, I.E us. They are an insular society in out midst. BE WARNED I don't think you suit a burka ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D

My views on immigration are above we got ourselves into this mess time we put a stop to it. I agree with Johnny English  :y

  :y

and sooner than you expect you will see that this community will decide who will be your next prime minister :-\
 
and politicians will try every way to take their votes :(

I know about an informal statistics I couldn't believe my eyes when looking details in point of birth rating and numbers of children at elementary school and kindergarten so I must say if you aren't careful now will have serious issues in the close future. If I wanted to compose exactly I'd say: in time of your child or grandchild... :(  All of my respect for ideas that sound really good eg freedom, equality and so on but unfortunately reality is different namely these ideas nowadays went to a simple mask can be worn by anybody who have enough money and have special goals never shared with us simple people. Immigration is not from devil but number of immigrants have to be limited strictly they must give up his own culture included language, family relations, business interests and so on. No other way for them to be assimilated completely. If somebody really want to go a really Briton and want much better life for children of theirs own then easy stuff to do. If they have special reasons to be in England they'll never give up the things mentioned above. And at this point I finished off as this discussion seems endless ... :) in this thread I had posted much more than my English knowledge would have allowed me... :D   

thx for reading   

Laszlo,  Hungary :y

 :) :) :)

 :) :y :y :y
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« Reply #59 on: 16 November 2012, 12:33:41 »

 Quote from Cem:
 :)  Lizzie you are very nice but I wish you lived in a different environment..  And I dont know what copy you read , try to find another one and read this carefully :-X :y
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Thanks as always for your opinion Cem which I highly respect, but I know history and what it has taught us about ourselves.  The warnings from history are there, and the last thing mankind (or man to be precise) needs now is to spread suspicion, hate and scaremongering over the delicate subject of immigration and / or religion / beliefs. 

I do not know what experiences the Turkish people can call on from their history, apart from the Otterman era, but British history, and that of other European nations, is littered with hate, suspicion, mass murder / genocide in the extreme and full bloody destructive war, just over what others believe or not believe, which has often been over religion or / and beliefs. That is why I do not personally belong to an organised religion, which can be highly poiticalized, and dictatorial causing much human conflict.

But Cem, please feel free to highlight what you think is wrong in my writings as I believe NO ONE but God has all, if any, of the answers and his decision in the end will be final. :y


As my final comment I would stress, as my father did as a serving Royal Naval officer during the Cold War. it is "far better to be red than dead".  In others words do not shed blood and die fighting the impossible.  What will be will be, and fate will decide.  I lived through most of the Cold War and I would sooner had lived in a Communist state than see the World obliterated.  That, thank God, of course never happened, but the lesson learnt during that time is still relevant in it's own way.  Jesus did strongly preach the message "turn the other cheek", and that is a prime Christine value as he knew that God will reward the humble, meek, and tolerant. 8) 8)
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