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[hotel21]

What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!

A push bike with an engine is distinctly different to an engineered motorcycle.....

[albitz]

i feel that we may be having a battle of wits with someone who is only half equipped for the job and thats not fair  

[TheBoy]

Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.

"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.

"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible  . Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.

Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.

Don’t you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Can’t you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because it’s a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?

I have been riding bikes since I was 16 – that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. It’s like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt – it’s utter crap.

So, get a grip...and get a life.

What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!

Have you ever ridden a big bike?

[PaulW]

getting bored of this argument now... Asked for info, got a ruckus...

my 2 pence...

worst people I come across on the road are car drivers.  Bikers (even if some do like driving a bit fast) ride far better than alot of cars.

The amount of times I've been cut up on junctions, had cars pull out of side streets without stopping or looking, change lanes on the motorway while I'm right next to them, tailgating... I've lost count!  I have less patience for car drivers on the road now than bikers.  Even lorry drivers are better than car drivers.  Fact.

I don't ride a bike, I will be learning soon.  I understand fully why people are saying bikers are far more aware of whats going on around them, and they have to be.  If its anything to go on from just driving a car, god knows how much more alert I'm going to have to be just to ride a bike.

It's not a mid-life crisis, its something I want to do and have wanted to do initially since I passed my test when I was 18.  10 years later, I'm doing it.  So 'dangle berries' to what anyone says against it, they can have their opinion.  It's being done.  End of!

[hotel21]

What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorised_bicycle

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MotoGP

Even half cut, with one eye shut with the wind in my face, I can spot the difference....  can you?

[TheBoy]

getting bored of this argument now... Asked for info, got a ruckus...

my 2 pence...

worst people I come across on the road are car drivers.  Bikers (even if some do like driving a bit fast) ride far better than alot of cars.

The amount of times I've been cut up on junctions, had cars pull out of side streets without stopping or looking, change lanes on the motorway while I'm right next to them, tailgating... I've lost count!  I have less patience for car drivers on the road now than bikers.  Even lorry drivers are better than car drivers.  Fact.

I don't ride a bike, I will be learning soon.  I understand fully why people are saying bikers are far more aware of whats going on around them, and they have to be.  If its anything to go on from just driving a car, god knows how much more alert I'm going to have to be just to ride a bike.

It's not a mid-life crisis, its something I want to do and have wanted to do initially since I passed my test when I was 18.  10 years later, I'm doing it.  So 'dangle berries' to what anyone says against it, they can have their opinion.  It's being done.  End of!

If you want to do it, then do it. Your choice, nobody elses

[hotel21]

PaulW - sorry to go Off Topic.  A 600 Bandit is a good starting point to learn from but, certainly, earn your spurs before going any bigger.

It hurts if you get it wrong, be it on a 125 or a 1200....

[prestigesec]

Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.

"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.

"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible  . Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.

Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.

Don’t you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Can’t you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because it’s a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?

I have been riding bikes since I was 16 – that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. It’s like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt – it’s utter crap.

So, get a grip...and get a life.

What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!

Have you ever ridden a big bike?

Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?

[hotel21]

Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?

Sorry, had a memory jolt there....  Thought you said all bikers were nutters??

Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.

[TheBoy]

Definition:
prestigesec - ignorant buffoon that doesn't know his arse from his elbow, has probably never ridden a bike and tries to make up for his jealousy of others by insulting those that do.

"...we car drivers..." - Don't categorise me as the same as you just because I drive a car. I am NOT like you.

"200mph before you die" - yeah...that's driving responsible  . Oh, BTW, that was sarcasm just in case you thought I was being serious.

Tunnie - "...riding a bike does make you a better driver.". Oh so true.

Don’t you get the feeling that you are wrong? Everyone else seems to think so. Can’t you see it? Are you blind? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Do you have to hold your breath when you type because it’s a bit too much for you to do both at the same time?

I have been riding bikes since I was 16 – that was 19 years ago and driving for 15 years, so I feel that I am entitled to have an authoritive opinion. As someone that rides/drives approx 35k miles year, I observe lots of stupidity on the roads of the country. 99.9% of the time, my journey is event-free. However, I find that the most inconsiderate mode of transport is without doubt the car. This is obviously not the fault of the car, but the idiot behind the wheel. There is obviously going to be a small number of bikers that ride like idiots, but to tar all bikers with the same brush is just plain stupid. It’s like saying that all Volvo drivers are boring old farts or that all Police Officers are corrupt – it’s utter crap.

So, get a grip...and get a life.

What a load of 'dangle berries', and one thing in life i am most certanly not jealous of is a push bike with an engine so either grow up or continue with your mid life crisis you sad little boy!!!

Have you ever ridden a big bike?

Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?

Thats a 'No' then.  Therefore, I suspect you have no idea about riding bikes.  

[PaulW]

PaulW - sorry to go Off Topic.  A 600 Bandit is a good starting point to learn from but, certainly, earn your spurs before going any bigger.

It hurts if you get it wrong, be it on a 125 or a 1200....

Thats the most on-topic comment in the last 7 pages of argumentative tripe  

Yeah I've looked at those aswell, but looked at all the stats for the different options, but still think I'm going to go ahead with the speedy.

May well be a 865cc machine, but its only 61bhp.  Had a quick feel of the bike earlier too and had a sit on a few others.  The speedy was quite a low down bike (being a cruiser) and felt better balanced, well, easier to keep upright sitting on it than some others lol!  Even a few 125cc's and a 500cc honda they had in (can't remember the model, but it looked very similiar to the DAS training bikes)

Plus the other way I look at it, if I get a good bike from the go, I'll be more likely to not treat it like a temporary stop-gap measure till I can afford something better, like when you get a shitter of a car as a run-about with every intention of getting a better one, but run the shitter into the ground and just don't clean it, look after it... And never end up getting the car you actually wanted!

Plus I'd rather buy a bike brand new than second hand...  Don't know why, it doesn't bother me as much with cars, I'll buy a right old bugger with high mileage, but just feel differently in regards to the bike...

[TheBoy]

Been on my friends Harley nice looking well looked after, not for me though yet he rides very sensible yet his friend owns a 998 and rides like a idiot, is that how it works then, fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?

Sorry, had a memory jolt there....  Thought you said all bikers were nutters??

Personally i just dont think bikers are responsable on the roads, i know there are a lot of dangerous and wreckless car drivers around but on a percentage bases it falls way short in comparison to bikers as the majority of motor bike riders i see on a day to day bases ride in a ridiculous manner taking there lifes and others into there hands. Riding at silly speeds taking daft chances. Before i get an earfull of everyone i know there are responsable riders out there i am just saying there are a hell of a lot that arent.

I was thinking the same, but just came to conclusion that he talks 'dangle berries'.

[hotel21]

Paul - personally, if I were in your shoes, I would get a 600cc rat bike thats worth not a lot.  You can pick up a cast of winter hack now for not a lot of cash and you than have no fears about scratching your HP'd or costly savings if you sent it up the road.

Thats what I did, thats what I encouraged my son to do and its served us both well......    

Only buy what you can afford not to cry over.....

[Kevin Wood]

fast bike means you ride like a nutter big harley mean you ride normally?

I thought the difference was that a Harley goes "thug" about every 3^rd lamp post you pass and a fast bike means it goes "thug" about 300 times per lamp post.  

Kevin

[TheBoy]

PaulW - sorry to go Off Topic.  A 600 Bandit is a good starting point to learn from but, certainly, earn your spurs before going any bigger.

It hurts if you get it wrong, be it on a 125 or a 1200....

Thats the most on-topic comment in the last 7 pages of argumentative tripe  

Yeah I've looked at those aswell, but looked at all the stats for the different options, but still think I'm going to go ahead with the speedy.

May well be a 865cc machine, but its only 61bhp.  Had a quick feel of the bike earlier too and had a sit on a few others.  The speedy was quite a low down bike (being a cruiser) and felt better balanced, well, easier to keep upright sitting on it than some others lol!  Even a few 125cc's and a 500cc honda they had in (can't remember the model, but it looked very similiar to the DAS training bikes)

Plus the other way I look at it, if I get a good bike from the go, I'll be more likely to not treat it like a temporary stop-gap measure till I can afford something better, like when you get a naffter of a car as a run-about with every intention of getting a better one, but run the naffter into the ground and just don't clean it, look after it... And never end up getting the car you actually wanted!

Plus I'd rather buy a bike brand new than second hand...  Don't know why, it doesn't bother me as much with cars, I'll buy a right old bugger with high mileage, but just feel differently in regards to the bike...

The DAS bikes are likely to be in the 40 - 50bhp, and I think you'll fine those quite nippy.  61bhp will feel very quick - so will be more than enough for your first 12 months or so.  Obviously, it only goes as fast as the rider tells it, but so does a high performance car driven by an inexperienced driver.

Another consideration, more difficult to judge, as comfort when riding for extended journeys - my first 500cc I could do able 50 miles before numb bum symdrone kicked in.  The 1000cc I have now, 70m is easy (never ridden further on it).  (its not the engine etc, its just a more comfortable saddle for me)