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[Terbs]

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[Vamps]

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Done, sorry............

[OOMV6]

I really don't know the answer Mike......if you put up the age, then they will pinch cars. Restricting speed/power could lead to no power in a life/death situation.Really large draconian penalties for those caught ??  Maybe

Lets face it, disqualifying people does not work....watch any of the Road Wars type programmes, and you will see how many 'erberts' are driving with a dozen bans in place....so they go to court and get another ...duh

I really wish I knew an answer

Still can't believe a learner on the phone with a driving school

The need for power in life / death situation is a bit of an old cliche really. If a situation arises where a powerful car CAN make all the difference, only experienced drivers would know how to use that power effectively, as it may not be a case of just booting it. These occurances are rare anyway. I can confidently say that in well over 20 years of driving, I cannot remember even one situation where a more powerful car would have kept me out of schtook. Better brakes, yeah maybe. Also no situation whilst in a powerful where I thought "thank god for a powerful car". One should be driving appropriate to conditions, experience and the cars' capability.
Furthermore, if general driving standards were higher and people left time for their journeys, left space betwen them and other vehicles...and...and...and.... then the need for power would not be there at all, except for a bit of fun.

As for what to do.
Minimum amont of lessons from qualified instructors
Instructors re-tested frequently
Spot checks on driving schools, like they do for MOT stations
Low powered cars for the first 2/3 years of driving, then up the power for another year, then unlimited after that.
Re-test every 5 years mandatory. (Not exactly like the original test) Don't pass? Revoke license.

That should help 

[Kevin Wood]

Indeed. "Needing" power to get out of trouble is BS.

The time is coming where they should be restricted to cars in which they can't show off, IMHO. It seems, if daddy can afford the insurance these days, he can afford a bit too much car for a new driver. Need to get back to the days of first cars having 15+ second 0-60 times.

[Entwood]

Electronic limiting of speed of car ??

Electronic limit of time of driving ??

Electronic monitoring of position/speed/Time etc (already available to Insurance Companies) ??


Lots of electronic possibilities ... but I can see the "I have the right to freedom not government control" screamers lining up already.

With freedom comes responsibility, if you can't be responsible you lose the right to freedom IMHO (and that applies to a lot more than just driving ...but thats another argument ..   ) ...

[Vamps]

Indeed. "Needing" power to get out of trouble is BS.

The time is coming where they should be restricted to cars in which they can't show off, IMHO. It seems, if daddy can afford the insurance these days, he can afford a bit too much car for a new driver. Need to get back to the days of first cars having 15+ second 0-60 times.

I tend to think this is my line of thought, mind, it didn't stop us flying around in 39BHP of Mini....

[Terbs]

Indeed. "Needing" power to get out of trouble is BS. The time is coming where they should be restricted to cars in which they can't show off, IMHO. It seems, if daddy can afford the insurance these days, he can afford a bit too much car for a new driver. Need to get back to the days of first cars having 15+ second 0-60 times.

I think I may not have conveyed what I really meant.......what I meant to say was if a vehicle was 'governed' to a slow speed, surely if that car was in a situation where it needed to be 'booted', and lets face it, with a newbie, that is more likely than with us experienced drivers,... would that not be a dangerous situation to put a new driver in

[Vamps]

Indeed. "Needing" power to get out of trouble is BS. The time is coming where they should be restricted to cars in which they can't show off, IMHO. It seems, if daddy can afford the insurance these days, he can afford a bit too much car for a new driver. Need to get back to the days of first cars having 15+ second 0-60 times.

I think I may not have conveyed what I really meant.......what I meant to say was if a vehicle was 'governed' to a slow speed, surely if that car was in a situation where it needed to be 'booted', and lets face it, with a newbie, that is more likely than with us experienced drivers,... would that not be a dangerous situation to put a new driver in

I am not convinced by this argument, think back a few years when cars were so much slower, and even now there are slow cars that can not 'boot it'; I understand the argument but feel unsure though I have said this is the past....Perhaps more so with Bikes and there is no evidence that restrictions on learners have increased accidents.....

[Entwood]

I don't see ANY situation where "booting it" would get an inexperienced driver OUT of trouble ... but I do see many where it would get them INTO trouble.

In fact .. I don't see any situation where an experienced and alert driver would need to "boot it" either .... 

[Terbs]

I don't see ANY situation where "booting it" would get an inexperienced driver OUT of trouble ... but I do see many where it would get them INTO trouble.

In fact .. I don't see any situation where an experienced and alert driver would need to "boot it" either .... 

Not in total agreeance there, mate. I was in a situation recently, through no fault of my own, when had I not had kickdown and a miggy, I might not not be here to tell the tale !!!! Witnesses' would confirm

[Terbs]

Posted too early.....

I still have visions of what happened, and as I said, no fault of mine....but my car saved me and swmbo from injury and/or death...that is a fact....and 'booting it' was the only reason we were not seriously injured or killed. And I reiterate....it was a situation not of my making
Had I pressed the pedal and nothing happened....well, I can't bear thinking of it.  As I type I am shaking......

[05omegav6]

Motorway training is a definite must trundling back from Manchester on thursday, stuck in lane 3 because I could not legally pass the car doing 52mph in lane3 undertaking not allowed, and outside lane out of bounds for anything over 3.5t.

[Vamps]

Motorway training is a definite must trundling back from Manchester on thursday, stuck in lane 3 because I could not legally pass the car doing 52mph in lane3 undertaking not allowed, and outside lane out of bounds for anything over 3.5t.

What you driving these days then?...................

[05omegav6]

That were an 18 tonner, limited to 56mph

[Lazydocker]

Motorway training is a definite must trundling back from Manchester on thursday, stuck in lane 3 because I could not legally pass the car doing 52mph in lane3 undertaking not allowed, and outside lane out of bounds for anything over 3.5t.

7.5t can use outside lane as the speed limit for them is 70 Unless there has been a recent change