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[Kevin Wood]

22 mpg is heavy footed or serious urban, though. Would a dti really manage 35 MPG in the circumstances? Not sure.

I find 20-22 MPG on LPG is about the norm whereby I was getting about 26-27 on petrol. I obviously have an easier, or more relaxed, commute than you do.

[Lazydocker]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... The only fair comparison for LPG running costs vs petrol/diesel is the cost per mile.

Aaron, I'd say your figures for petrol vs LPG are slightly off as it saves, as the ones with anal spreadsheets will confirm, about a third or an average of 10p per mile Plus you get the petrol/v6 driving experience instead of burning smelly oil

Also need to take into account that with a diesel you need to keep to the 3k oil changes quite strictly whereas with LPG you can easily go 5k between changes (or more if you aren't as fussy) and still take out oil that is golden instead of pitch black

Obviously there is (potentially) a slightly higher cost involved with LPG car though if you have to convert it.

My previous omega did 55k (in my ownership) on LPG and was sold for enough to pay for the kit on this one, which has now done about 24k on LPG. That's a total saving of about £7900 in fuel costs for the total outlay of 2 LPG kits, roughly £1550. That basically means I have saved enough on the fuel costs to be able to say (in the best "man maths") that the cars have been completely free to buy and own

Ok, doesn't really work quite like that But they certainly don't owe me anything much

[feeutfo]

I think Vxlv6's problem with Dti is the cost of repair. Did I read fuel pump issues somewhere? And a £700 bill, just for the part....? Or similar?   

[feeutfo]

Means nothing to me. But.... 

Well it may not be as bad as everyone thinks when the pump 'fails' on a DTi, basically the pump is two units, a mechanical pump and a control board (EDC). After a bit of reasearch it appears that 75% of pump failures are actually a faulty EDU - usually a failure of the board. These can be repaired by specialist companies (It's not really a DIY job because of the design of the unit).

The car gets delivered back tomorrow so I hope to have a few mins to see about the possibilty of removing the EDC with the pump in situ.

I'll post up on the forum if anyones interested, though I know DTi's aren't that common.

[feeutfo]

Pump and faulty edc.
http://youtu.be/BUXHxXUdB3U

Pump testing.
http://youtu.be/qHayMpuX53s
So that's why diesels makes such a horrendous racket.

[aaronjb]

22 mpg is heavy footed or serious urban, though. Would a dti really manage 35 MPG in the circumstances? Not sure.

I find 20-22 MPG on LPG is about the norm whereby I was getting about 26-27 on petrol. I obviously have an easier, or more relaxed, commute than you do.

I used to get about ~23mpg on my commute until I started going a different way to drop Amy off in West Byfleet in the morning - it only adds about 7 miles to the distance but unfortunately dumps us into awful traffic.. now 22mpg is a 'good' week, a bad week is more like 18mpg.

Either that or I have an underlying problem again (I did check the multirams again!  ).. or I'm heavier footed than I thought 

[VXL V6]

I think Vxlv6's problem with Dti is the cost of repair. Did I read fuel pump issues somewhere? And a £700 bill, just for the part....? Or similar?   

Yes, to explain, There are three options for repair:-

1) Complete new pump with EDC (control unit), dealer price approx £1700 + coding (and obviously the job of locking the chain, removing the old pump and fitting the new etc)

2) Refurbished pump, EDC coding, same removal and fitting work as above, approx £1000

3) Removal of EDC, diagnostic, repair, refit (some dismantling of the fuel feeds and inlet to get access required), approx £400 - £500

While the last option is obviously the most preferable (it's highly likely to be the EDC, although the pumps do suffer with wear if run using cheap supermarket fuel) I have to consider the fact that this car has done over 170K and the thought enters my mind, 'What happens if the turbo or something else expensive dies on it in a few months time?

So looking at the problem from a slightly different angle, suppose I purchase a 2.6 Elite with driver involvement pack to hopefully gain a few more MPG to start with, I've then got the DTi which has the same paint colour as my 3.2 so I can potentially can use body parts if required. The NCDC, CID, Polly bushes, front wheels with good tyres, 10K front shocks and springs, B4 rear shocks, rear blind and a wealth of other 'Elite' parts could then be used on the replacement 2.6, the Diesel parts that are still in good order could be used as spares for Mrs VXL's DTi estate, therefore my DTi helps keep three Omega's on the road. The Bose and other parts can live on Ebay and eventually the shell can go to be weighed in.

I already have a drilled V6 inlet manifold ready and waiting and I believe virtually everything else required for the LPG install can be bought for approx £700.

I've half convinced myself that this is the way to go... I just need to find the right car.....

[henryd]

Just noticed this on egay,low miles

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-VAUXHALL-OMEGA-CDX-V6-SILVER-Very-Low-Mileage-65050-/190789975997?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2c6bf7ffbd

[VXL V6]

Really want to go for an Elite to be honest. Just very hard to find a manual 2.6. 

Will be taking a closer look at the DTi tomorrow and making a few decisions over the next week. 

[Lazydocker]

Really want to go for an Elite to be honest. Just very hard to find a manual 2.6. 

Will be taking a closer look at the DTi tomorrow and making a few decisions over the next week. 

If you want it looked at I'm sure Twiglet (he's nearer) or I could oblige

[joshwyatt]

It took me a long time to buy my 2003 2.6 Elite manual as you know Andy.
I bought it for £2,200 on the 14/07/2010, fitted the CID (Well Mr Tb did) and the shale leather interior, thanks to RobG, covered 23,000 miles in it and sold it for £1,600 about 6 months ago. Daz did the cambelt etc, it had x3 tyres and x2 full services with x5 oil changes. Ownership cost was next to nothing.
In late 2011, and a good 6 months of '12 I used the Elite every day, I regularly did a round trip of 160 miles a day. This was from Oxford, along the A420, 25ish miles of M4 then 15ish miles of mixed to around Bath. I averaged between 26-34mpg.
A police 3.2 manual, will do slighlty better MPG...but I appreciate those wouldn't fit the bill for you.

[VXL V6]

It took me a long time to buy my 2003 2.6 Elite manual as you know Andy.
I bought it for £2,200 on the 14/07/2010, fitted the CID (Well Mr Tb did) and the shale leather interior, thanks to RobG, covered 23,000 miles in it and sold it for £1,600 about 6 months ago. Daz did the cambelt etc, it had x3 tyres and x2 full services with x5 oil changes. Ownership cost was next to nothing.
In late 2011, and a good 6 months of '12 I used the Elite every day, I regularly did a round trip of 160 miles a day. This was from Oxford, along the A420, 25ish miles of M4 then 15ish miles of mixed to around Bath. I averaged between 26-34mpg.
A police 3.2 manual, will do slighlty better MPG...but I appreciate those wouldn't fit the bill for you.

Can't you tell the current owner of your 2.6 that there is a product recall and you'll have to have the car back?!