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[dbdb]

wow castor too how much does all that cost at WIM? 

As I recall Feltham Tyre were half the price on camber:
Alignment Check £22.00
Alignment Front Toe & Rear Check £42.00
Alignment Front Toe and Rear Toe £63.00
Alignment Front Toe & Camber Front £63.00
Alignment Front & Rear Toe & 1 Camber £93.00
Alignment Front & Rear Toe & 2 Camber £123.00
They didn't mind me watching to make sure they get the settings correct and their equipment looks good kit.  Spotless workshop too.

They used Vaux settings nothing black art, fine with me.

[Webby the Bear]

i dont really understand the print out and toe and camber etc...

what i do know is i had a severe ''wandering'' with the car. youd be driving at 70mph and it would all of a sudden veer off. couple of scary moments.

took to WIM. All corrected and hasn't reared its head since. cost 70 bucks iirc 

[feeutfo]

wow castor too how much does all that cost at WIM? 

As I recall Feltham Tyre were half the price on camber:
Alignment Check £22.00
Alignment Front Toe & Rear Check £42.00
Alignment Front Toe and Rear Toe £63.00
Alignment Front Toe & Camber Front £63.00
Alignment Front & Rear Toe & 1 Camber £93.00
Alignment Front & Rear Toe & 2 Camber £123.00
They didn't mind me watching to make sure they get the settings correct and their equipment looks good kit.  Spotless workshop too.

One charge at wim. Not sure the standard charge,(£90+vat?) but iirc OOF members get a discount to £60 +vat. Might have gone up.

Micheldever charge £20 per setting. With a total of £80 if everything needs doing, but that was a while ago.

We need to see their figures and what your car was set to before trusting them.

Did they give you the print out, final figures...?

[dbdb]

wheel is off centre which is annoying.

Had this on my last mig (not WIM though).  Caused by lazy tracking adjustment (not adjusting both track rods at the same time), tracking will likely be fine but just the annoying off centre wheel.  You just need to keep taking it back until they get it dead centre. In my expericence sometimes the only way to make a cheap tyre tracker accept it is out is to take them for a drive, they will swear blind it is spot on in the workshop.

[dbdb]

One charge at wim. Not sure the standard charge,(£90+vat?) but iirc OOF members get a discount to £60 +vat. Might have gone up.
Did they give you the print out, final figures...?

WIM (Blackboots) was £95+ VAT and front only, didn't know about the £60 deal. FT prices above inc VAT I think so still cheaper (£63 v £72).

I have the full printout somewhere it was all within Vaux specs, fine with me I don't really subscribe to all the black art stuff.

[Kevin Wood]

wheel is off centre which is annoying.

Had this on my last mig (not WIM though).  Caused by lazy tracking adjustment (not adjusting both track rods at the same time), tracking will likely be fine but just the annoying off centre wheel.  You just need to keep taking it back until they get it dead centre. In my expericence sometimes the only way to make a cheap tyre tracker accept it is out is to take them for a drive, they will swear blind it is spot on in the workshop.

Judging by the final measurements in the printout they did adjust it correctly, as the toe measurements are perfectly even. One of the problems is that there's quite a bit of slop in the steering gear, especially if the engine isn't running, and it's not predictable where this will end up once on the road. They used to test drive the car to check steering wheel position, but that's going back quite a while, as I haven't been there for a long time.

[dbdb]

good point the printout is showing both as 7, the steering wheel should be dead straight.  However I see the old figures were 3 and 13. 

I am guessing your steering wheel now has to be turned a bit to the right to go straight.  If so then either something else is wrong that they missed or more likely they didn't get the front wheels in line when they adjusted.

[feeutfo]

One charge at wim. Not sure the standard charge,(£90+vat?) but iirc OOF members get a discount to £60 +vat. Might have gone up.
Did they give you the print out, final figures...?

WIM (Blackboots) was £95+ VAT and front only, didn't know about the £60 deal. FT prices above inc VAT I think so still cheaper (£63 v £72).

I have the full printout somewhere it was all within Vaux specs, fine with me I don't really subscribe to all the black art stuff.

Not a good start. This is the problem. Most places think that's all they have to do, is get it in the green. Vauxhall tolerances are WAY too wide. Poor handling and tyre wear are so easily encountered as to say, those settings are fairly useless. Lessons learned on here through bitter experience have proved that.

Wim have taken the time to find much tighter settings. With much tighter tolerances.

[dbdb]

hang on toe  was  -3 and -13, not 3 and 13. let me think.  Yes still I guess you now have to hold the wheel to the right. That was out quite a bit, significant toe out instead of toe in,  how did it feel before?

[feeutfo]

hang on was  -3 and -13, not 3 and 13. let me think.  Yes still I guess you now have to hold the wheel to the right. That was out quite a bit, how did it feel before?.

Have you not read the first page dbdb? 

[dbdb]

yes it just says 'not driving straight'. Was it wandering or was it going straight and stable when you held the wheel to one side? Looking at the significant toe out I supect it was wandering.

Aha just seen one other bit of info - steering was out before WIM.  I imagine it had to be held to the left to go straight.  Also see you now have to hold it to the right to go straight, very prescient of me. Should no longer be wandering though.

[feeutfo]

yes it just says 'not driving straight'. Was it wandering or was it going straight and stable when you held the wheel to one side? Looking at the significant toe out I supect it was wandering.

It's the after setting that's important. No? As said, pas side camber needs increasing. Camber will pull the car off line. Uneven toe just means the steering wheel will be off, and little else. Uneven toe won't cause a pull, as the driver will steer straight anyway, regardless of steering wheel position. excessive combined toe will scrub tyres, but will still drive straight.

[SMD]

Before the wheel had to be held right to go straight. Now the wheel still has to go right to go straight but to a lesser extent.

[SMD]

It's unfair of me to say it drives no better than before, it used to tramline and wander all over and generally felt sloppy and now the more I drive it all that has gone and corners more accurately but still maintain steering is out or the car likes to drift to the left. 

[feeutfo]

Before the wheel had to be held right to go straight. Now the wheel still has to go right to go straight but to a lesser extent.

Tyres on the car at that point would have had more affect on the handling than the set up though, don't forget.
Odd sorts, with different levels of wear on each. I'm surprised it drove as well as it did tbh.