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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #60 on: 25 March 2013, 23:31:10 »

It's made me think a bit different about savings. I'll won't be having much cash stashed away from now on. It will be asset rich cash poor. There's no way the government is gonna take any of my savings.

Yeah, it's not as if the returns on savings make it that attractive currently, in any case. ::)
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #61 on: 26 March 2013, 08:41:21 »

It's made me think a bit different about savings. I'll won't be having much cash stashed away from now on. It will be asset rich cash poor. There's no way the government is gonna take any of my savings.

Well I wish you luck with that. In Spain this year we are all going to have to make a declaration of assets on our tax returns. At the moment there isn't a tax payable on them (other than normal stuff like tax on bank account interest) BUT no doubt in the future their will be just the same as all EU bank accounts are protected for the fist 100,000- unless they are in Cyprus. The penalties for non declaration are severe. The value of the item plus a fine. So say you have a second home in Switzerland and don't declare it they can attack your wealth in Spain.

I expect European countries to introduce more of this sort of legislation so they can get at peoples wealth. It is all very 1984
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #62 on: 26 March 2013, 09:42:25 »

Blimey! Does that mean we'll have to put our Omegas down on the tax return?   ::)  :)
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #63 on: 26 March 2013, 10:12:23 »

That is a good question. No one really knows the ramifications of this.

Turning it around . If you have a family car I would say no. If you had a fine collection of pre war Grand Prix cars I would say yes. So someone like Jim on the forum might be expected to declare his fine collection of post war Omegas. Remember at the moment there is no intention to tax anyone on these assets just to have a record!
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #64 on: 26 March 2013, 12:58:52 »

It's made me think a bit different about savings. I'll won't be having much cash stashed away from now on. It will be asset rich cash poor. There's no way the government is gonna take any of my savings.

Yeah, it's not as if the returns on savings make it that attractive currently, in any case. ::)

I'm getting almost 0.1%........so you won't hear me complain. ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #65 on: 26 March 2013, 22:31:29 »

Once a Government runs out of borrowing options, money printing due to high inflation and the currency's credibility. there is only one class of people left, to fund any bailouts and money to keep the country going. That is you.  >:( >:( >:( >:(

In the Eurozone it is even worse as their central banks are banned from printing money only the ECB can do that, but the ECB is banned from being the lender of last resort.  :o :o :o This is exactly the right way to construct an unstable currency area.  :o :o :o

When the UK runs out of money in 2016-17, they will go after any assets of yours they can to keep the country going. They don't care if you are left totally destitute as long as they are not left hanging from lampposts. This has happened in the past when countries have got into this situation and even if you put your assets into UK branches of foreign banks that will not save you.  :( :( US President FDR nationalized all private gold in the 1930's.  :( :(

When private asset theft happens they will disguise it, by giving you something in return, that in reality is worthless. In the UK and US during WWII you had to buy war bonds, by the time thses were paid out in the UK, inflation had made them pretty much worthless. In Cyprus you get worthless shares in a bankrupt bank, but maybe they will use this to tap the shareholders for more money.  :o :o :o

You need sound safe haven countries that are politically stable have a sound economy with low GDP to debt ratios but these are as common as an honest politician.  :( :(

Spread your savings into a number of different types of asset in different countries, seems to me the only way to minimize losses and steer clear of European countries as much as possible. Good luck everybody as the next few years ain't going to be financially pretty.  :o :o :o :o

Where US have largely restructured their banks and have had their property crash, prices and new builds are now going up and have put the worst of the recession behind them. They still have a large deficit and sovereign debt issues but they will use cheap shale gas and oil to pull and save themselves from economic collapse.  :y :y :y

I can't say the same about any Western European countries where none of the countries have solved their current liabilities or successfully restructure their banks. Germany has $1.35tn of Eurozone liabilities, Switzerland have printed unlimited amounts of Swiss Francs to keep the Euro exchange rate pegged at above 1.2. Probably the safest are Norway, who are actively dissuading foreign investments or Finland as at least they make the Eurozone countries receiving bailout money from them pledge assets as security (but will they get them)?

When the Euro breaks up, which it must with the current structure and non-German bank liabilities, especially for Spain, Italy and France, we now know from what has happened with Cyprus, Germany / EU / ECB will under no circumstances underwrite any of these liabilities, like they have for Greece, Ireland and Portugal who got in early with their bailouts. Once the majority of the countries have reverted back to their own currencies, which will happen at some point through referendum or revolution and applies Lex Monetae to how they intend to repay their ECB and Target2 debts, where the contracts have been written that they must be paid in Euro, then the fun will begin. Will Germany respond with international court action or Panzer action, or both, with trillions of Euros at stake?  ::) ::) ::)

Get a comfortable chair, plenty of buckets of pop corn and sit this one out until you get your call up papers.  :o :o :o :o
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #66 on: 26 March 2013, 22:55:21 »

Ever thought of working for the Samaritans Rod ?
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #67 on: 26 March 2013, 22:59:44 »

Ever thought of working for the Samaritans Rod ?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #68 on: 26 March 2013, 23:26:13 »

Ever thought of working for the Samaritans Rod ?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I would be good at that job, where I'm a very patient and understanding person: "Go on hurry up and jump I've got another caller waiting...."  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #69 on: 27 March 2013, 07:53:04 »

I dont fully understand this banking lark much but from what i see it dont look too good  :( Looks like we are tied to the EU by our ankles waiting like sitting ducks to be taken pot shots at  :-\
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #70 on: 27 March 2013, 11:20:12 »

So, basically..

We should all start buying gold and burying it in our gardens.

Gold and guns.

Lots of guns.

Prepper style..
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #71 on: 27 March 2013, 12:08:34 »

So, basically..

We should all start buying gold and burying it in our gardens.

Gold and guns.

Lots of guns.

Prepper style..

Sounds good to me.. except that it's technically gardening <groan!> I'd have to finally take all the prunings to the tip so I can find a patch of ground to dig. ;D
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #72 on: 27 March 2013, 14:06:17 »

The whole thing doesn't inspire confidence. Mr Bean might have made a better job of it.

The first thing you do when implementing any change is

Agree with the stakeholders what you are going to do.

Brief those affected

Implement (and you might then do a review afterwards)

As of today it would appear something is being implemented but hardly anyone knows what and when. Total buffoonary. It makes you wonder how the banks opening will pan out.! 
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Re: Cyprus bailout takes a new and potentially dramatic turn.
« Reply #73 on: 27 March 2013, 15:18:36 »

The whole thing doesn't inspire confidence. Mr Bean might have made a better job of it.

The first thing you do when implementing any change is

Agree with the stakeholders what you are going to do.

Brief those affected

Implement (and you might then do a review afterwards)

As of today it would appear something is being implemented but hardly anyone knows what and when. Total buffoonary. It makes you wonder how the banks opening will pan out.!

Well they have employed GS4 of Olympic Games fame, for security I'm sure it is all under control. So don't be surprised if there is a queue of Russians, who decide to withdraw over the capital control limit by the unconventional ways they normally get their way in business. I hope the Cypriots in the bank keep their heads down once the shooting starts.  :o :o :o :o

There are Russians living in Cyprus of this disposition, where recently a bookie shop was filled with bullets and the owner was killed, where he didn't comply with the offer he couldn't refuse and pay his regular health insurance premiums to them.  :o :o :o :o
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« Reply #74 on: 27 March 2013, 16:36:17 »

Cyprus should be fined around 11,400 euros (14,700 dollars) each day for failing to implement European Union laws on renewable energy, the bloc‘s executive said Thursday, just as the Mediterranean country struggled to remain solvent.

http://en.europeonline-magazine.eu/troubled-cyprus-faces-eu-fine-over-renewable-energy-failures_271893.html

That's it, stick the boot in.  >:(
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