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Re: towing info please
« Reply #15 on: 19 March 2013, 23:06:19 »

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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...

 :-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y
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Re: towing info please
« Reply #16 on: 19 March 2013, 23:10:33 »

If towing a braked trailer on a B only licence, then the trailer must not weigh more than the tow car, and the combined mass of both must not exceed 3500Kgs or the Max Train weight of the tow vehicle, whichever is the lower.

If you have a B+E licence (or grandfather rights) then you can exceed the 3500 kgs and you can tow up to the tow vehicles permitted Max Train Weight.

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Re: towing info please
« Reply #17 on: 19 March 2013, 23:12:21 »

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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...

 :-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y

Aside from roughty toughty 4x4's I was under the impression that you could tow a caravan such that you didn't exceed the max train weight (all but 4 tonnes for an Omega)  :-\
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Re: towing info please
« Reply #18 on: 19 March 2013, 23:15:35 »

If towing a braked trailer on a B only licence, then the trailer must not weigh more than the tow car, and the combined mass of both must not exceed 3500Kgs or the Max Train weight of the tow vehicle, whichever is the lower.

If you have a B+E licence (or grandfather rights) then you can exceed the 3500 kgs and you can tow up to the tow vehicles permitted Max Train Weight.

Seemples  :)

I thought I was right  ;) ;) ;)

It's to hoped that Stu isn't called as an expert towing witness!  ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #19 on: 19 March 2013, 23:43:11 »

i think i should have said i dont want to know the law etc ;D ;D
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« Reply #20 on: 19 March 2013, 23:45:54 »

i think i should have said i dont want to know the law etc ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D

Just rely on what the weight 'plate' says on the B post and you won't go wrong  :y
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Re: towing info please
« Reply #21 on: 20 March 2013, 00:01:20 »

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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...

 :-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y

It has the physical capability to tow 3.5 tonnes on private land but not on the Queens highway.

As I understand things anyway.
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« Reply #22 on: 20 March 2013, 00:37:56 »

Just done a training course on this  ::) ::) ::) & weigh bridges

Taken from the course notes:-

Car towing weight and width limits

Most cars have a maximum weight of what they can tow. It’s usually listed in the handbook or specification sheet.

Alternatively the vehicle’s gross train weight may be listed on the vehicle identification number (VIN) plate on the car. This is normally under the bonnet or inside the driver’s door. The gross train weight is the weight of the fully loaded car plus fully loaded trailer and must not be exceeded.

If your VIN plate doesn’t list a train weight, you should not use your vehicle for towing.

Something I didn't know was that the goal-posts have changed again for licensing requirements from 19th Jan 2013  :o

Driving licence rules and what you can tow

The rules on what you can tow are different depending on when you passed your driving test.
Licenses issued from 19 January 2013

From 19 January 2013, drivers passing a category B (car and small vehicle) test can tow:

    small trailers weighing no more than 750kg
    trailers weighing more than 750kg, where the combined weight of the towing vehicle and the trailer isn’t more than 3,500kg

If you want to tow a trailer weighing more than 750kg, when the combined weight of the towing vehicle and trailer is more than 3,500kg, you’ll have to pass a further test and get B+E entitlement on your licence.

You’ll then be able to tow trailers up to 3,500kg.
Licences held from 1 January 1997

If you passed your driving test after 1 January 1997 and have an ordinary category B (car) licence, you can drive either:

    a vehicle up to 3.5 tonnes or 3,500 kilograms (kg) Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM (with a combined weight of up to 4,250kg in total)
    a trailer over 750kg MAM as long as it is no more than the unladen or ‘kerb’ weight of the towing vehicle (with a combined weight of up to 3,500kg in total)

For anything heavier you need to take a category B+E driving test.
Licences held before 1 January 1997

If you passed your car test before 1 January 1997 you are generally entitled to drive a vehicle and trailer combination up to 8.25 tonnes MAM.

This is the weight of a vehicle or trailer including the maximum load that can be carried safely when it’s being used on the road.

You also have entitlement to drive a minibus with a trailer over 750kg MAM.
Towing heavier combinations

If you want to tow heavier combinations, you’ll have to first apply for provisional entitlement to the new C1+E entitlement. You’ll then have to pass the category C theory test and C1+E practical test.

Once you’ve done this you can drive vehicles and trailers with a combined weight of up to 12 tonnes MAM
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« Reply #23 on: 20 March 2013, 01:07:25 »

If in doubt, get a C+E licence, then you can tow absolutely anything, as long as neither the Gross Train weight on the plate nor the permitted axle loadings are not exceeded :y
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Re: towing info please
« Reply #24 on: 20 March 2013, 01:54:52 »





 Unfortuneately the towing weights are very much different in the UK than in the US, I have been horified what my friends can be allowed to  tow in the states.  :o :o just wish we could get away with what you do over there.  :y :y
I have a 2-wheel tow dolly with brakes.
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Re: towing info please
« Reply #25 on: 20 March 2013, 06:47:56 »

...

Something I didn't know was that the goal-posts have changed again for licensing requirements from 19th Jan 2013  :o

 .....

I knew that something has just changed, but couldn't tell what has actually changed  :-\ :-\ :-\
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Re: towing info please
« Reply #26 on: 20 March 2013, 10:30:59 »

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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...

 :-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y

It has the physical capability to tow 3.5 tonnes on private land but not on the Queens highway.

As I understand things anyway.

I think you will find a Discovery can tow 3500kg braked trailers legally on the road :y
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Re: towing info please
« Reply #27 on: 20 March 2013, 10:53:59 »

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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...

 :-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y

It has the physical capability to tow 3.5 tonnes on private land but not on the Queens highway.

As I understand things anyway.

I think you will find a Discovery can tow 3500kg braked trailers legally on the road :y

I thought so too, but don't have the info to hand  :-\ :-\

They can tow more with a (very expensive) air brake upgrade ;) Or certainly could in the past, because I've driven one :y Very strange driving a car with air braked trailer
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Re: towing info please
« Reply #28 on: 20 March 2013, 11:00:07 »

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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...

 :-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y

It has the physical capability to tow 3.5 tonnes on private land but not on the Queens highway.

As I understand things anyway.

I think you will find a Discovery can tow 3500kg braked trailers legally on the road :y

I thought so too, but don't have the info to hand  :-\ :-\

They can tow more with a (very expensive) air brake upgrade ;) Or certainly could in the past, because I've driven one :y Very strange driving a car with air braked trailer

Up to 4000kg with suitable upgrade I believe :y
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Re: towing info please
« Reply #29 on: 20 March 2013, 11:27:36 »

Without, of course, mentioning Artics where the tractor units generally weigh around 8T and the trailer 34T

'Cos they're actually semi-trailers - ie: attached to the tractor unit via a 'fifth wheel' coupling rather than a tow-bar ... and the unit's designed for this purpose.
Semi-trailers are also subject to annual MoT testing. ;)
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