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Author Topic: Margaret Thatcher is Dead!  (Read 34610 times)

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Lizzie_Zoom

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Re: Margaret Thatcher is Dead!
« Reply #210 on: 10 April 2013, 19:54:57 »

Nope, and the Great Man agreed (see my addition to the last post) and although made back in 1947, it in my view still holds good.  Tell us Cem of a better one for the people and the country? ;) ;)

here is the related link Lizzie and there is a related youtube video :y
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=112022.15

Thanks Cem, but I did read that first time round. ;) ;)

However, now let me give my own potted version of British history in a few words, rather than reams of cut and post from other authors:

History in Britain has been one of monarchy and church acquiring power and wealth, then people rising up to create a "new" world of science and financial investment, first involving the academics, philosophers, scientists and innovators, but then over 200 years the "common" workers being more and more involved, prepared to put the monarchy and church on a lower rung of their ladder. The Industrial Revolution gave new opportunities to those ready and seeking them, with a better wage paid to the workers employed to drive the machinery of the new age than they received by working the land. The workers then realised their worth, and strove to gain better working conditions, then better homes.  Their aspirations grew and they reached out for a greater say in their lives from the elite, who eventually had to concede political power, bit by bit, to the growing power of influential groups and their demands. To avoid the threat of revolution, successive governments gave way to political reform, new working conditions, better housing, unions, free education for all, and a general recognition of workers rights.  The British capitalist democratic system grew and grew, becoming one of great wealth, but still one of injustice. 

Two World Wars discredited the elite, and proved the average person could be given true power.  Voting rights for all were gained after the Labour Party was formed in 1918, and even women had those full rights from 1925. Labour took charge of the country in 1945 and gave us the Welfare system, the NHS, and modern education, apart from a true belief that the people had now gained real power. By 1960 the Conservative Prime Minister, Harold Macmillan, was able to say the British "Had never had it so good" after the country was powering away from WW2, clearing it's debts, and most people were enjoying a new prosperity.

I will not repeat what others have stated about when Labour came to power from 1964 and started the trend to give the unions greater, almost exclusive, power, with their leaders demanding more and more for their members, which the industries concerned could not afford and creating a "strike culture", that damaged the development of many industries and their products. This led to uncompetitive products being produced by British industry, and the nationalised companies being run into the ground, demanding higher and higher government subsidies and unbelievably larger and larger wage demands. All was given by "frightened" and weak Labour government who feared the power of the unions with their block votes.

Something had to give, and in 1979 Maggie Thatcher came to power and started the great revival and fight to regain democratic power over the unions and a good sorting out of the sick nationalised companies, that would lead to the "sick man of Europe" slogan that was said about Briton before 1979, disappearing. The rest is history.

That is British capitalism and democracy at its best, working together to create a stronger, wealthier nation. It is what we need again Cem in Britain, that mix.  Strong leadership, powering a capitalist democracy.  The history I have quoted created what we have had, and it is the way forward. :y :y :y
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Lizzie_Zoom

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Re: Margaret Thatcher is Dead!
« Reply #211 on: 10 April 2013, 20:01:16 »

Its quite traditional for parliament to be recalled when a former PM dies. ;)

Still a waste of taxpayers money. So many bills to get through and so little time. Yes she was a great leader but remember her next Wednesday not by frittering away valuable Parliamentary time. The only timne to reconvene Parliament should be for the death of the Monarch or war.

It is a mark of respect that this nation gives to it's great leaders. It is the least we can do, remembering, as one politician stated today, that if nothing else she secured a rebate from Brussels of £75 billion.  So before anyone questions the cost of her funeral, please remember that. :y :y
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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Margaret Thatcher is Dead!
« Reply #212 on: 10 April 2013, 20:22:14 »

Nope, and the Great Man agreed (see my addition to the last post) and although made back in 1947, it in my view still holds good.  Tell us Cem of a better one for the people and the country? ;) ;)

here is the related link Lizzie and there is a related youtube video :y
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=112022.15

Thanks Cem, but I did read that first time round. ;) ;)

However, now let me give my own potted version of British history in a few words, rather than reams of cut and post from other authors:

History in Britain has been one of monarchy and church acquiring power and wealth, then people rising up to create a "new" world of science and financial investment, first involving the academics, philosophers, scientists and innovators, but then over 200 years the "common" workers being more and more involved, prepared to put the monarchy and church on a lower rung of their ladder. The Industrial Revolution gave new opportunities to those ready and seeking them, with a better wage paid to the workers employed to drive the machinery of the new age than they received by working the land. The workers then realised their worth, and strove to gain better working conditions, then better homes.  Their aspirations grew and they reached out for a greater say in their lives from the elite, who eventually had to concede political power, bit by bit, to the growing power of influential groups and their demands. To avoid the threat of revolution, successive governments gave way to political reform, new working conditions, better housing, unions, free education for all, and a general recognition of workers rights.  The British capitalist democratic system grew and grew, becoming one of great wealth, but still one of injustice. 

Two World Wars discredited the elite, and proved the average person could be given true power.  Voting rights for all were gained after the Labour Party was formed in 1918, and even women had those full rights from 1925. Labour took charge of the country in 1945 and gave us the Welfare system, the NHS, and modern education, apart from a true belief that the people had now gained real power. By 1960 the Conservative Prime Minister, Harold Macmillan, was able to say the British "Had never had it so good" after the country was powering away from WW2, clearing it's debts, and most people were enjoying a new prosperity.

I will not repeat what others have stated about when Labour came to power from 1964 and started the trend to give the unions greater, almost exclusive, power, with their leaders demanding more and more for their members, which the industries concerned could not afford and creating a "strike culture", that damaged the development of many industries and their products. This led to uncompetitive products being produced by British industry, and the nationalised companies being run into the ground, demanding higher and higher government subsidies and unbelievably larger and larger wage demands. All was given by "frightened" and weak Labour government who feared the power of the unions with their block votes.

Something had to give, and in 1979 Maggie Thatcher came to power and started the great revival and fight to regain democratic power over the unions and a good sorting out of the sick nationalised companies, that would lead to the "sick man of Europe" slogan that was said about Briton before 1979, disappearing. The rest is history.

That is British capitalism and democracy at its best, working together to create a stronger, wealthier nation. It is what we need again Cem in Britain, that mix.  Strong leadership, powering a capitalist democracy.  The history I have quoted created what we have had, and it is the way forward. :y :y :y

Lizzie, the info I shared may be cut and paste, but this neither make them wrong nor incomplete ;)
 
needless to say , neither you nor me can rewrite history :)  and at the era mentioned "United Kingdom" was an imperial power ruling  wide lands of world which your economic growth was powered with ;)
 
ps: my intention was not to continue this debate with you..  :y
« Last Edit: 10 April 2013, 20:23:51 by cem »
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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Margaret Thatcher is Dead!
« Reply #213 on: 10 April 2013, 20:26:23 »

but if you continue this historical subject on a different thread when I have time, I may give long anwers as well :y
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« Reply #214 on: 10 April 2013, 21:14:07 »

The Lizzie and Cem show, start your own thread and save the rest of from the drivel please ::) ::) :y
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« Reply #215 on: 10 April 2013, 21:16:22 »

The Lizzie and Cem show, start your own thread and save the rest of from the drivel please ::) ::) :y

 ;D :y
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Re: Margaret Thatcher is Dead!
« Reply #216 on: 10 April 2013, 21:21:30 »

...we had to go on a waiting list to have a phone installed (and even then, we may have had to share the line with a neighbour).

Oh, I remember that from my childhood. (And some of their daughter's conversations which were accidentally interrupted)  :-X   ::)
Indeed, the old party lines. And when you couldn't get a dial tone, go piss on the earth spike....  ....or by the time I was a telephone engineer, remind customers to water their lines....
Party line in America maybe. Over here it was shared service.
Opps, indeed, I should have known that  :-[

They were the bane of my life, as towards the end of my stint out in the vans, 700 spares were getting really scarce.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher is Dead!
« Reply #217 on: 10 April 2013, 21:30:58 »

Lizzie nice posts the last two well bloody said indeed not written a lot on this post but been swearing away, quite angry at some peoples attitude hence why i dont do politics squeezing some ones wind pipe to shut them up never goes down well ;D ;D ;D

what you said girl you said it very well  :y :y
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« Reply #218 on: 10 April 2013, 22:32:21 »

The Lizzie and Cem show, start your own thread and save the rest of from the drivel please ::) ::) :y
Fantastic idea :y Could he get his own sticky :-\

(no offence Lizzie)
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« Reply #219 on: 10 April 2013, 22:34:54 »

The Lizzie and Cem show, start your own thread and save the rest of from the drivel please ::) ::) :y
Fantastic idea :y Could he get his own sticky :-\

(no offence Lizzie)

Al, if you have a personal problem with me do tell directly or pm.. whatever you choose..
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« Reply #220 on: 10 April 2013, 22:51:56 »

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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #221 on: 11 April 2013, 10:53:12 »

The Lizzie and Cem show, start your own thread and save the rest of from the drivel please ::) ::) :y
Fantastic idea :y Could he get his own sticky :-\

(no offence Lizzie)

None taken al, as you never do offend me.

I will say to others as well you cannot offend me as long as personal insults are kept out of it as one member tried to do to me recently.  EVERYONE is entitled to their viewpoints, but if some do not enjoy the banter/discussion  between two members / friends as Cem and I have, don't bother to read the posts. Simples! :D :D :D ;)  But to all others you are welcome to watch and read the passions of humans if you want on an open forum, along with joining in if you wish!  No problems! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Margaret Thatcher is Dead!
« Reply #222 on: 11 April 2013, 10:54:56 »

Lizzie nice posts the last two well bloody said indeed not written a lot on this post but been swearing away, quite angry at some peoples attitude hence why i dont do politics squeezing some ones wind pipe to shut them up never goes down well ;D ;D ;D

what you said girl you said it very well  :y :y

Thanks Paul!  At least somebody enjoys  what I write!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
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Re: Margaret Thatcher is Dead!
« Reply #223 on: 11 April 2013, 11:03:09 »

The Lizzie and Cem show, start your own thread and save the rest of from the drivel please ::) ::) :y
Fantastic idea :y Could he get his own sticky :-\

(no offence Lizzie)

None taken al, as you never do offend me.

I will say to others as well you cannot offend me as long as personal insults are kept out of it as one member tried to do to me recently.  EVERYONE is entitled to their viewpoints, but if some do not enjoy the banter/discussion  between two members / friends as Cem and I have, don't bother to read the posts. Simples! :D :D :D ;)  But to all others you are welcome to watch and read the passions of humans if you want on an open forum, along with joining in if you wish!  No problems! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Get a room  ;) ;D ;D ;D::) ::) :D
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Lizzie_Zoom

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Re: Margaret Thatcher is Dead!
« Reply #224 on: 11 April 2013, 11:06:03 »

The Lizzie and Cem show, start your own thread and save the rest of from the drivel please ::) ::) :y
Fantastic idea :y Could he get his own sticky :-\

(no offence Lizzie)

None taken al, as you never do offend me.

I will say to others as well you cannot offend me as long as personal insults are kept out of it as one member tried to do to me recently.  EVERYONE is entitled to their viewpoints, but if some do not enjoy the banter/discussion  between two members / friends as Cem and I have, don't bother to read the posts. Simples! :D :D :D ;)  But to all others you are welcome to watch and read the passions of humans if you want on an open forum, along with joining in if you wish!  No problems! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Get a room  ;) ;D ;D ;D::) ::) :D

Now there's an idea Cleggy! :D :D :y :y :y  Cem and I could sell tickets! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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