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[TheBoy]

It's not just Microsoft who are suffering from changing stuff for its' own sake. People left Ubuntu in their droves when they started shipping that daft Unity GUI.

Even some of the hardened crApple fanboys are asking about IOS7. IOS7 has some decent OS enhancements underneath, but all the users see is a childish looking UI now.

[chrisgixer]

So the only reason I need to update from xp is because WinDohs has moved on, ok.

(applies to rest of your post as well, but snipped it for space/tidyness)
Could say the same for a lot of things. Putting a non-IT spin on, would you rather stick to a CRT TV? Or SD/Analogue telly? Or a DVD player instead of gayray (actually, I fall over on this last one, as I no longer have a gayray player in the house  )?

Like an old Vauxhall Cavalier, good in its time, but now time to retire it and bring on something more modern


As to your other post about tablets, yeah, I don't disagree with what you say. But they are flawed themselves. No software I want to run is available, and I find the format unfriendly (as I like a keyboard).  I disagree on turn on speeds. Faster coming out of standby by less than a second, and slower by a couple of seconds booting up. I'm comparing current gen iPAD against my 5yr old laptop here

Look you! you can't ask people's opinion on why they think something is so, for consumer research, then disagree with them. The answers your getting are, apparently, why pc's don't sell. It's too late, those sales are lost, you can't change THAT, by arguing their wrong.

Plus, you've completely ignored the opinion(which may or may not be correct) that anything from xp on is, basically a re jiggled version of the same thing. But with added confuddelment.
And if I do need something better than xp, nobody at Microdroop has bothered their arse to tell me.

Also, I suspect you still think ipad takes two mins to turn on. It doesn't, never did.

Ready steady .... Power..... OFF

[chrisgixer]

Stop

[chrisgixer]

That's power off and on again, then open safari and post.

[TheBoy]

Look you! you can't ask people's opinion on why they think something is so, for consumer research, then disagree with them. The answers your getting are, apparently, why pc's don't sell. It's too late, those sales are lost, you can't change THAT, by arguing their wrong.

I was only disagreeing with the view that PCs are slow to boot. Built right, they aren't .

Plus, you've completely ignored the opinion(which may or may not be correct) that anything from xp on is, basically a re jiggled version of the same thing. But with added confuddelment.
And if I do need something better than xp, nobody at Microdroop has bothered their arse to tell me.

You could go back further, and say W2K, as frankly XP offered buggerall from W2K. Or back to NT4, or further still.

Or, back to crApple, what does IOS7 offer over, say v3 (before they bought the rights to call it IOS)? As a user, I can't tell 

But I value your viewpoints on it, which are equally as valid as anyone elses.

[TheBoy]

I'm back after a shutdown and reboot

[TheBoy]

And that included a CTRL-ALT-DEL and password entry, plus typing in the URL (OOF isn't in my favourites on this (or any other) PC)

[TheBoy]

And from a 5yr old laptop

[chrisgixer]

But Apple don't charge their customers for software. Jeez

I realise theirs other financial reasons why one wouldn't upgrade Apple software though, but the vast majority are "legit". As are most of Microsoft customers. Yet Microsoft charge. (Again I don't know if Apple charge for lap or desktop software? Guessing not.)

[chrisgixer]

And from a 5yr old laptop

With 5times the power

[TheBoy]

But Apple don't charge their customers for software. Jeez

I realise theirs other financial reasons why one wouldn't upgrade Apple software though, but the vast majority are "legit". As are most of Microsoft customers. Yet Microsoft charge. (Again I don't know if Apple charge for lap or desktop software? Guessing not.)

Oh Apple do charge. Its just the model is different. In effect, the inflated purchase price includes upgrades for 3yrs (on IOS devices, Mac owners aren't so lucky, point upgrades are chargable), after which time they offer NO upgrade, so you have to bin the hardware 

If its a dig at MS, bless them, Apple do not support their 12yr old OSes. Nor does anyone else I can think of, and certainly not on desktop OSes.

[TheBoy]

And from a 5yr old laptop

With 5times the power

2Ghz Core Duo, 2Ghz RAM and integrated graphics against 1.3Ghz (rumoured) dual core, 1Gb RAM and a dedicated video chip in the iPhone 5s.

Not that different, is it

[chrisgixer]

Opinion stands, deal with it and move on.

...how have we gone from pc's to comparing lap top and ipad performance...? ( yes I know I started it )


I don't need a pc.

The End.

[TheBoy]

Opinion stands, deal with it and move on.

...how have we gone from pc's to comparing lap top and ipad performance...? ( yes I know I started it )


I don't need a pc.

The End.

As said, opinion valid and gratefully received.

But you know you need a PC, as AC haven't released Syncrogas for IOS devices (or anything other than Windoze), plus all those other car related pieces of software you use. So its not quite as black and white as your imply


But all that aside, do you think the number of units shipped is still the same as, say, 4yrs ago, but with the tablet:PC/Mac ratio being obviously higher now? Or the whole sector smaller. (That I can probably find out, via channel figures)

What I'm asking, do you think people are really just not buying (as existing PC is good enough), with just a few buying tablets as they don't currently have one? And are many tablet owners actually upgrading them regularly, or are most going to people who previously haven't owned one? (this is harder to find out, as I don't believe real figures exist)



I was kind of interested as I need to get Mum a new desktop. She doesn't want a laptop, and she sure as hell doesn't want a tablet (as a replacement for a desktop - maybe as an addition). Her 7yr old P4 desktop is knackered. I could give it a lease of life, but it won't run anything later than XP, so it would only be a temporary reprive.

So, as she likes Dell, onto their site. And basically, they sell bugger all

[chrisgixer]

Well you did say Desk top or lap top I suppose. I was talking about desk tops tbh. Ours hasn't been turned on for 8 years. It was installed when we moved in, iTunes killed it, and we never trusted it again, plus Lap tops took over at that point, and its been a convenience thing ever since. Why sit at a desk when the arm chair and family environment is right there...?

Lap top, yes that I need for the car. True enough. Although it never gets turned on  otherwise. Ever.

I think your seeing a very black and white picture though. It's not an Apple
V pc picture. If Microsoft had designed the first tablet I'd have had one of those. If they'd marketed it properly of course.
 Just get your Mum what SHE needs. Not what a Bill Gates perv wants her to have.