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[Marks DTM Calib]

If its a dig at MS, bless them, Apple do not support their 12yr old OSes. Nor does anyone else I can think of, and certainly not on desktop OSes.

And hence why Apple have pretty much no presence with thier OS on industrial solutions.

For me, I buy a computing device to run certain packages, the OS behind it makes not a jot of difference in reality, its just something I have to transit throguh in getting to the item I need.

Hence band per buck is king

[TheBoy]

Well you did say Desk top or lap top I suppose. I was talking about desk tops tbh. Ours hasn't been turned on for 8 years. It was installed when we moved in, iTunes killed it, and we never trusted it again, plus Lap tops took over at that point, and its been a convenience thing ever since. Why sit at a desk when the arm chair and family environment is right there...?

Lap top, yes that I need for the car. True enough. Although it never gets turned on  otherwise. Ever.

I think your seeing a very black and white picture though. It's not an Apple
V pc picture. If Microsoft had designed the first tablet I'd have had one of those. If they'd marketed it properly of course.
 Just get your Mum what SHE needs. Not what a Bill Gates perv wants her to have.

Is your anti PC'ness based on what a piece of Apple software did? .

I did used to say that I thought Apple purposely made their PC software indirectly blow up the PCs they ran on to convince people to buy Macs instead. Looking back, I'm still not convinced I was wrong, but I give them the benefit of the doubt, and now call it incompitence . Even now, I' very wary of iTunes and Safari on non-Apple devices


Apple were not the first to the tablet market. Not by a long shot. Again, MS lead the way there (although 3rd parties made and marketed the HW) with Xp Tablet Edition about a year after the release of XP IIRC. Most manufacturers thought pure tablet was too bold, so most, like Toshiba, made a normal lightweight/slim laptop with a touchscreen, but the lid swivelled so could be closed with the touchscreen exposed. OK, heavier/thicker than todays tablets, but this is over 10yrs ago.


Desktop v Laptop. I thought laptops, once powerful enough, would take over. And they mostly have. But desktops still have their uses - in my case, 2 decent screens and a decent sound system, makes my life doing serious work easier than a poxy laptop screen. RSI is another gain if you have to use it for a long time - ask Mrs Gixer (BTW, is she still on lookout for an external monitor? I have a Dell 17", but its only got VGA interface, thats otherwise destined for landfill)

[TheBoy]

For me, I buy a computing device to run certain packages, the OS behind it makes not a jot of difference in reality, its just something I have to transit throguh in getting to the item I need.

Indeed, which is why the application should dictate the OS, not the other way round.

[tunnie]

90% of the stuff I do at home is just web browsing, so too from MrsT, so we don't need a full blown computer.

I've got a Mac Mini from 2005, still being used on my desk at the flat. It's rarely used, recently it was for property viewing as it was just a bit easier to multi-task on that. First time in 2 years it's really been used?

Often it's just an iPad on the sofa to surf with, when I have to give it back, we really miss it.

[TheBoy]

Just get your Mum what SHE needs. Not what a Bill Gates perv wants her to have.

Indeed. I always would. SHE needs a desktop style computer, capable of running a web browser, email client and an office package thats not too hard for her to use.

Oh, and it must interface to her crappy old LaserJet 4P, which she refuses to get rid of. And be able to take her existing wireless keyboard and mouse, as she has a bee in her bonnet about cables.

[tunnie]

I will add, we upgraded MotherT to Windows 8. Now for me MotherT is the target market for Windows8? All she does is surf the web, use e-mail (outlook or similar) reads the news online and does some shopping.

All basic easy to do stuff right? Well we sat her down with Win8 and she hated it... nothing appear clear or obvious. Everything appeared a struggle. Ok it's a new OS, it's to be expected but still had some serious issues with it.

She now has an iMac, no complaints, everything is far easier.

[TheBoy]

I will add, we upgraded MotherT to Windows 8. Now for me MotherT is the target market for Windows8? All she does is surf the web, use e-mail (outlook or similar) reads the news online and does some shopping.

All basic easy to do stuff right? Well we sat her down with Win8 and she hated it... nothing appear clear or obvious. Everything appeared a struggle. Ok it's a new OS, it's to be expected but still had some serious issues with it.

She now has an iMac, no complaints, everything is far easier.

Yeah, I've suggested to Mum that she sticks with Windows 7, even though that will only give her 6-7yrs.

Its near enough to XP, that she'll be fine with it. And it will work with her stuff.

Oh, it has to be mini tower, so she can hide the unit. But it mustn't be "one of those like <my sister's name> has where its all built into the monitor", which I can't argue with TBH...

Old dears, just can't please them

[TheBoy]

Old dears, just can't please them

I'm finding her lack of flexibility somewhat odd on this one.

OK, she's no spring chicken, having well gone over her allotted 3-score-and-10, but she's always (and still is) been keen on technology, and usually one of the first to embrace it.

She had a fax machine in the 80s, TACS mobile in the 90s, her first PC (Pentium based Compaq) in the mid 90s, internet soon after (back in the days when you paid a subscription, and for calls), DVD players and hard drive TV recorders when they came out. And has an iPhone. You get the picture...

*BUT* 5 or 6 years ago, she replaced her (shagged) B&O TV with another CRT based, non widescreen B&O crock of shite, because "she doesn't like new flat TVs").

She sends texts from her landline, rather than the easier iPhone, because thats how she likes to do it.

Same with this bloody desktop of hers. She doesn't want to change it. It was her present to herself on her 70th, so its very old, and very shagged. I can do little more to help with it. Que, dead parrot sketch. I'm not sure if its the sentimental aspect, stubborness, or the fact it was the first computer she ever bought (I'd acquired all her previous ones). But it really needed replacing a couple of years back.

Still, at least she has now come to me, off her own back, saying that she thinks it needs to be replaced. Thats some progress

[Marks DTM Calib]

For me, I buy a computing device to run certain packages, the OS behind it makes not a jot of difference in reality, its just something I have to transit throguh in getting to the item I need.

Indeed, which is why the application should dictate the OS, not the other way round.

And hence why the apple computing devices are something I moved away from when they became nothing more than a PC inside follwoing the dropping of the RISC based Power PC processors.....as the hardware is no more capable than anything else anymore, but yet they cost a premium.

[TheBoy]

For me, I buy a computing device to run certain packages, the OS behind it makes not a jot of difference in reality, its just something I have to transit throguh in getting to the item I need.

Indeed, which is why the application should dictate the OS, not the other way round.

And hence why the apple computing devices are something I moved away from when they became nothing more than a PC inside follwoing the dropping of the RISC based Power PC processors.....as the hardware is no more capable than anything else anymore, but yet they cost a premium.

They have a place in life (speaking technically, not for the Gwok whoever worshippers). Some of the design packages for the Mac still outperform the equivilents on Windows/Linux/Unix.

If you have a need for these, a Mac is a viable option

[Marks DTM Calib]

Out perfrom I ssupect is the wrong phrase as given the hardware architecture and number churning capablity is the same in the core. On a RISC setup then yes.

I suspect the real reality is that there is so much legacy code in there that they have not been migrated......yet!

[pscocoa]

It is all a question of your needs. We had a supplier in this week which provides secure boardroom/ meeting data with all sorts of bells and whistles which will transform our meetings preparation, monitoring, follow up etc etc by moving everything for delivery to iPad from secure server. In one months time it will also be Windows 8 compatible but we don't want laptops at meetings rather a focus on the meeting docs in a well structured format not requiring stacks of paper.

looks impressive and will be a major evolution in efficiency of large board rooms, meeting groups etc

just an evolution in technology, identification of an effective use and adaptation as necessary

[Marks DTM Calib]

Yes but were not talking pads here, I bet the source machines/servers are either Unix based or MS

[MaxV6]

I've seen occasional PC magazine shoot outs where they're shocked to discover that a mac runs whinedoze better than  most PC's .....  but the answer is usually that they're comparing an entry level HP/Dell/insert brand here,  lapcrock o shitetop with a macbook pro,   rather than one of the PC companies actual fair equivalent....   


for me it's a combination of things.

1) primarily, much of the software i use for work is Mac only.....   thus the choice of OS and hardware is pretty much fixed.....  BUT..... 

2) even if it wasn't,   and there are a number of packages i use that ARE cross platform,   I'd still choose a Mac,  overall reliability is better,   and down time ,  and cost of ownership is actually lower......       AND they're elegantly designed....    although that is probably the least important thing for me....    but given the choice between 2 premium performing laptops,  at similar prices  (say Alienware and Mac, for example)  i will choose the more elegant, less boy racer looking one......     much like my choice in cars,  Omega and Jag......    elegant,  but powerful......   

3) Experience,  even now we've moved away from PPC,   the OS concepts and design ethos remains similar, and i've been a mac user since , oh long long ago....   early 90's.....      so i "know" how they work.... 

[TheBoy]

Out perfrom I ssupect is the wrong phrase as given the hardware architecture and number churning capablity is the same in the core. On a RISC setup then yes.

I suspect the real reality is that there is so much legacy code in there that they have not been migrated......yet!

Sorry, I meant outperform in terms of functionality and usability, rather than sheer grunt. No technical reason why, its just that traditionally the Mac platform was where much of this was first developed, and the ports are rarely that successful.