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[I_want_an_Omega]

How does this work?

There was mention on R4 last week in an item about energy storage, which gave the impression that F1 was using some form of flywheel technology to store the energy. Ok, I can see that, but how does the energy  get into and out of the system?

Is this the same/related as the 80bhp boost the the commentators mention?

Thanks .......... Rob

[cleggy]

Try this Rob

http://www.formula1blog.com/formula-1/how-f1s-energy-recovery-system-ers-will-work-in-2014/

Other  technical papers are available ont' WEB

[chrisgixer]

Yesterday's f1 programme from Brazil made me laugh. They where talking about the new engines for next year. V6 turbo hybrid iirc.

1.6 litre putting out something in the order of 750bhp and almost 3 times the torque of the current engines, they said. Better performance and economy from a smaller package.

 This will bring f1 into line with most current road cars! Hold on surely F1 should be the leader in innovation in automotive technology? Not the other way round?

Me thinks they've lost the plot already.

[cleggy]

Yesterday's f1 programme from Brazil made me laugh. They where talking about the new engines for next year. V6 turbo hybrid iirc.

1.6 litre putting out something in the order of 750bhp and almost 3 times the torque of the current engines, they said. Better performance and economy from a smaller package.

 This will bring f1 into line with most current road cars! Hold on surely F1 should be the leader in innovation in automotive technology? Not the other way round?

Me thinks they've lost the plot already.

A normally aspirated straight 6, 3litre engine and forget the hybrid recovery crap , they'll stuff a couple of wind turbines on the rear wing next 

[chrisgixer]

Yesterday's f1 programme from Brazil made me laugh. They where talking about the new engines for next year. V6 turbo hybrid iirc.

1.6 litre putting out something in the order of 750bhp and almost 3 times the torque of the current engines, they said. Better performance and economy from a smaller package.

 This will bring f1 into line with most current road cars! Hold on surely F1 should be the leader in innovation in automotive technology? Not the other way round?

Me thinks they've lost the plot already.

A normally aspirated straight 6, 3litre engine and forget the hybrid recovery crap , they'll stuff a couple of wind turbines on the rear wing next 

[tunnie]

Have to wonder on next seasons reliability, such highly strung engines, turbos working flat out.

Maybe more a season of who designs the most reliable engine, wins 

[chrisgixer]

Have to wonder on next seasons reliability, such highly strung engines, turbos working flat out.

Maybe more a season of who designs the most reliable engine, wins 

Possibly. I'm more concerned with the tyre regs next year tbh. If they're all cruising round in tyre management mode, then the engine won't get stressed anyway.

"Management" ...increasingly that word grates on my nerves. It has NO place in a performance environment. None!



Should add, I haven't looked, but I guess we'll get the same next year re tyres?

[cleggy]

Have to wonder on next seasons reliability, such highly strung engines, turbos working flat out.

Maybe more a season of who designs the most reliable engine, wins 

Possibly. I'm more concerned with the tyre regs next year tbh. If they're all cruising round in tyre management mode, then the engine won't get stressed anyway.

"Management" ...increasingly that word grates on my nerves. It has NO place in a performance environment. None!



Should add, I haven't looked, but I guess we'll get the same next year re tyres?

IIRC The tyres remain the same but the construction of them can be changed without notice. This follows the delamination at Silverstone this year

[steve6367]

surely F1 should be the leader in innovation in automotive technology? Not the other way round?

Me thinks they've lost the plot already.

Unfortunately they have not been the pinnacle of technology for some time, its all about getting the most within the rules that are in place to keep it safe.

[Webby the Bear]

I dont get the reasoning for changing rules anyway??? There's a mock up on the F1 site of what the car will look like. It's OMG hideous!!!!! curving nose from high up to low down makes it look like a car being lead by a witches nose.

so with these new engines are we going to see an decrease in lap times? i heard from a reliable source they'll be chucking out 850bhp

[dbug]

F1 should be about racing cars, not about energy recovery etc etc - basically the best car, with a competant driver, should win.  Now the drivers spend more time worrying about when to use kers, if its working, electronically adjusting various things including brake balance etc, DRS, and now managing crap tyres - when do they find the time to properly drive the car

[albitz]

Its become F1 brought to you by Walt Disney productions. More showbiz than motor racing. Cant blame the drivers,they are still what they always were but the people running the show are a disgrace.
Get rid of Kers, DRS, enforced pit stops, silly fuel limits, pandering to the greens,pandering to marketing depts.
Send them out at the start with a set of tyres expected to last the race and may the best man win. That's what it should always be about.
Personally, in an ideal world I would like to see them all drive indentical cars, but that's just fantasy.

[Rods2]

But there is also the reality that most of the teams and cars are either manufacturer owned, engined or sponsored and they don't do it for fun but to help their businesses. Fuel efficiency sells cars, so I think the new rules are a reflection on trying out leading edge technologies to improve fuel efficiency.

Although in a perfect world it would be all about the driver, not the car, in reality it is the car and the driver.

Even though I don't like him, I think the best driver over the last two seasons has been Alonso and with fewer mistakes Hamilton would be right up there as well, but both haven't had a fast enough cars. My concern for next year is that if Renault produce the best engine and it is reliable and Adrian Newey the best car then Red Bull will win all 22 races. Although with the new systems, being new, reliability will be an issue next year.

In 2014 will Mclaren be the 'lantern rouge' of the big teams again?

[albitz]

Fuel efficiency should have no place on an F1 track imo. But as yo say, the manufacturers aren't just there to get free tickets to the races.
I think next year is a step into the unknown for all the teams tbh, the return of the turbos will bring a whole new set of problems and challenges. Why are they going back to turbo engines ? I really don't know. Are petrol turbo engines in vogue on high priced road cars these days. I wouldn't have a clue.

[Webby the Bear]

The thing that annoys me is this...

I've only been watching F1 a little while and in that time I've looked at a lot of old races and the ones that spring to mind are Senna vs Mansell in Monaco and Senna vs Mansell at brands hatch (I think).

Anyway in both races Senna was weaving all over the place to block mansell and it was a real knife edge tussle as to where/when/if he would get past....

With todays F1 they're allowed to jink one way, then..........that's it.......  I mean wtf.... with DRS theres no actual passing skill at all. it doesn't matter what way the driver in front goes cos the car behind is artificially allowed to go faster and then just goes the other side after the drivers made his move. utterly pointless.

However. that said. I still really love it.