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[TheBoy]

Symbian had so few features, and even less that actually worked, that I'd expect those they did get working to work really well...

...but Nokia couldn't ever escape from the fact that Symbian was shite, and they hung on to it for far too long, and that never helped their current situation.

[chrisgixer]

Symbian had so few features, and even less that actually worked, that I'd expect those they did get working to work really well...

...but Nokia couldn't ever escape from the fact that Symbian was shite, and they hung on to it for far too long, and that never helped their current situation.

Yes we know all that, but your post is all non specific re functionality, which is my point.

All the functions where there on Symbian, but that's all that anyone can say in symbians favour as you rightly say here. Even now crApple are coming out with "new" innovations hailed as [insert your favourite blue sky bs here] that Symbian had 15years ago, the latest that springs to mind is replying after a busied call with a text, saying sorry I'll call later etc. Nokia/Symbian had that oppsing years ago.

Functions man! Functions!

The only improvement I see in 7 is the "multitasking" as apple call it, where the task manager shows the actual screen of the open app above the icon of the app that's open. You might say they copied that from Android though. But allows having an open app page next to another for comparison purposes, usually when the hopeless copy function of copy and paste is too awkward to use. That's the only innovation I see in crApples wonder phone.  ...oh, and the software stability of course

[chrisgixer]

I would also add, the "multitasking" in Apples dictionary has a very different meaning to that of the dictionary everyone else's uses.

[TheBoy]

Yes we know all that, but your post is all non specific re functionality, which is my point.

A smartphone that can't do anything isn't anything more than a phone. Symbian's non phone functions mostly didn't work or didn't even exist.

Symbian had 15years ago, the latest that springs to mind is replying after a busied call with a text, saying sorry I'll call later etc. Nokia/Symbian had that oppsing years ago.

11yrs ago, Symbian phones aren't that old. They just felt like it, being so far behind other smartphones of the time. Symbian didn't get touch until 2008, well after everyone else had done it. Symbian were always playing catch-up to Microsoft (initially), then crApple/Google.

Functions man! Functions!

My point exactly, which is why I never bought a Symbian smartphone, despite being a Nokia fan, and always putting Nokia at the top of the list when searching for a new phone, yet always ended up with a Windows device, or latterly, an IOS device

The only improvement I see in 7 is the "multitasking" as apple call it, where the task manager shows the actual screen of the open app above the icon of the app that's open. You might say they copied that from Android though. But allows having an open app page next to another for comparison purposes, usually when the hopeless copy function of copy and paste is too awkward to use. That's the only innovation I see in crApples wonder phone.  ...oh, and the software stability of course

Is true multitasking that important on a phone? I'm struggling to think of a use beyond what IOS has had since IOS4, or what Windows had in CE (a form of cooperative multitasking, although more segregated in IOS). I thought coming from a Windows device to IOS3, I would miss the multitasking, but I didn't. Even IOS3 was able to multitask some parts (eg, play music whilst doing anything else).

Even in its current state on IOS6 (as I've not jumped to IOS7 yet, and no plans to), I'd rather it loses some of its multitasking ability, in order to save battery. But others may have different needs, in which case, avoid IOS

[chrisgixer]

No. Smartphone, by definition is able to multi task. Apple choose to restrict even that.

But again, non specific answers from a Microsft fan boy.

I'm with Kev on his view on touch screens to a point. The only reason for touch to exist is screen size, its an oppsing nuisance otherwise. I'm not aware of Symbian ever being touch capable. The n900 was Maemo if that's what you mean? Again, much more multitask capable, but hopelessly utterly totally unreliable.

Your right though re iOS though. Bored with it, will be looking around once this contract is up. See what the Nokias of the time are up to. Bloody Windoze probably.

[MR MISTER]

I fickin knew I shouldn't have started this thread.

[chrisgixer]

I fickin knew I shouldn't have started this thread.

Oh come of it, you love to see people argue over the colour of shite.

[TheBoy]

No. Smartphone, by definition is able to multi task. Apple choose to restrict even that.

My definition of smartphone is the ability to do stuff other than make calls. Not its ability to multitask. Why is multitasking so important? What is your definition of multitasking, as that may be different to mine. At a technical level, all smartphones multitask to some degree.

But again, non specific answers from a Microsft fan boy.

Not sure what specific answers you wanted? Thought this was a discussion, rather than a help request? Either way, Symbian was behind the times at launch, and never caught up. It was a bit of an old OS to start with, dating to 1980s.

I'm with Kev on his view on touch screens to a point. The only reason for touch to exist is screen size, its an oppsing nuisance otherwise. I'm not aware of Symbian ever being touch capable.

Touchscreen adds a larger screen, but also easier manipulation of what is on screen, for example, zooming, especially since the advent of multitouch, which became popular with the advent of the first iPhone. Done consistent and well, as crApple demonstrated with the original iPhone, it exceeds what is easily possible with physical keys.

(say the boy who touches Linux every day, yet never, ever installs the GUIs )

Symbian got touch a little while after crApple and Google demonstrated how out of date Symbian was.

The n900 was Maemo if that's what you mean? Again, much more multitask capable, but hopelessly utterly totally unreliable.

That was an (poor) implementation of Linux.

Your right though re iOS though. Bored with it, will be looking around once this contract is up. See what the Nokias of the time are up to. Bloody Windoze probably.

Thats where we differ. I struggle to get excited about a phone, and certainly do not give a rats tit what badge it has on it. I have a set number of functions it needs to perform well. Currently, only IOS fulfills them, Windows Phone is getting closer, although the more capable Windows phones are following this fad of being bloody enormous, which is not what I want. I think the iPhone 5 is too bloody big.

Yup, new Nokia smartphones will be Windows Phone 8.

Be careful buying purely on specs - we've both fallen foul of this before, you with that crap n900 (which really was utter shite in reality), and me with that HTC Touch Pro (that was equally as crap, only a lot more stable).

[AndyRoid]

What is your definition of multitasking,

Having the ability to shag the wife while thinking of her best mate 

[chrisgixer]

No. Smartphone, by definition is able to multi task. Apple choose to restrict even that.

My definition of smartphone is the ability to do stuff other than make calls. Not its ability to multitask. Why is multitasking so important? What is your definition of multitasking, as that may be different to mine. At a technical level, all smartphones multitask to some degree.

But again, non specific answers from a Microsft fan boy.

Not sure what specific answers you wanted? Thought this was a discussion, rather than a help request? Either way, Symbian was behind the times at launch, and never caught up. It was a bit of an old OS to start with, dating to 1980s.

I'm with Kev on his view on touch screens to a point. The only reason for touch to exist is screen size, its an oppsing nuisance otherwise. I'm not aware of Symbian ever being touch capable.

Touchscreen adds a larger screen, but also easier manipulation of what is on screen, for example, zooming, especially since the advent of multitouch, which became popular with the advent of the first iPhone. Done consistent and well, as crApple demonstrated with the original iPhone, it exceeds what is easily possible with physical keys.

(say the boy who touches Linux every day, yet never, ever installs the GUIs )

Symbian got touch a little while after crApple and Google demonstrated how out of date Symbian was.

The n900 was Maemo if that's what you mean? Again, much more multitask capable, but hopelessly utterly totally unreliable.

That was an (poor) implementation of Linux.

Your right though re iOS though. Bored with it, will be looking around once this contract is up. See what the Nokias of the time are up to. Bloody Windoze probably.

Thats where we differ. I struggle to get excited about a phone, and certainly do not give a rats tit what badge it has on it. I have a set number of functions it needs to perform well. Currently, only IOS fulfills them, Windows Phone is getting closer, although the more capable Windows phones are following this fad of being bloody enormous, which is not what I want. I think the iPhone 5 is too bloody big.

Yup, new Nokia smartphones will be Windows Phone 8.

Be careful buying purely on specs - we've both fallen foul of this before, you with that crap n900 (which really was utter shite in reality), and me with that HTC Touch Pro (that was equally as crap, only a lot more stable).

Oh for fff... Now your just being obstinate.
You know as well as I do the difference of a series 40 phone and a series 60, just for example. Multitasking, means the ability to have multiple applications open at once, yes the iPhone does that, but not to the level of a series 60. Hence the restrictive accusation I made earlier, over and above the walled garden stuff.

Now, pay attention, here's a specific example of that, where iPhone falls flat on its arse in this regard. You receive a voice mail from a call centre or somewhere where the number is withheld. The caller leaves a voice message with the thier number name and extension number on the voice mail. Ok, your busy, driving maybe (q all the retards in the world that think this is illegal with a hands free, but like I said it was a boring conversation anyway ) so you don't have a pen and paper, so you want to tap in the number direct to the phones key pad, WHILE the voice mail recording is reading the number out. Right?
 Nope, iphone won't do it. Open the keypad and the voice mail cuts out. Don't forget you've not dialed as the number isn't input yet. So the lines not busy.
 As that's part of the phone app, which is shite btw, even you have noticed that surely? Yes you can memorise it, but don't tell me you've never miss dialed doing that. And what about the extension number? If the voice mail was audible then just tap that in after the number. Then the persons name is ready in your mind to speak to them. Nope, iPhone requires a pen and paper for voice mail. This is not a "smart"phone. It's far from it.

There's other examples but I can't remember them at the moment. There's too many.

I don't know why your defending your greatest gay product of all time. Its reliable, but that's all. ...actually, safari crashes to the home screen on ipad a lot. So its not as reliable as one might think. More work lost to the ether, unforgivable from any device.


Whatever the n900 was it wasn't Symbian was my point. Which Symbian phone has a touch screen...? I could google it but that's cheating.
 Symbian isn't touch capable hence Nokias first touch screen on the n900 had to have a non Symbian os. Afaik.

[chrisgixer]

To add, true multi tasking means all apps work to their fullest extent, regardless of what the other apps are doing, so they all interact fully.

As above, the phone app doesn't even interact with itself fully re dialling while a voice mail is playing. Poor. Very poor.

[TheBoy]

Your phone issue is sod all to do with multitasking, its simply that the phone app on the iPhone is featureless. I'd not noticed before, as I tend to put the number into notes (assuming it was withheld/blocked) or tasks (if time sensitive), then call back at a time convenient to me.  However, a quick play does show you can add a call whilst listening to VM, then close the VM call, leaving other one open. A bit naff though. But, as said, the phone app is shit just about adequate.

I have no loyalties towards crApple. Quite the opposite, as you may have noticed. I use one as it works for me. I'm not tied to any silly contracts, so can change phone tomorrow if I so wished, but currently there is nothing else that meets my needs, except a later gayPhone, and I see little benefit in that.

Multitasking is the capability to run multiple threads (smallest unit of code execution) seemingly simultaneously. Of course the iPhone can multitask, as can just about any other smartphone ever made (I'd have to double check Symbian, I think that could only do cooperative multitasking). It would be a waste of time having multicore chips if the OS couldn't utilise more than one core . If I'm out for a walk, I frequently have the iPod app, Map My Walk, the geocaching app and often a navigation app like google maps open all at the same time...  ...whilst making a lot of use of Siri (which I've (reluctantly) grown to love, despite its hilarious, frequent cock ups). Thats multitasking.

So, we've established that the iPhone's phone app is shit, which we already knew. We've established that the device can multitask "OK" if coded correctly (some apps just park themselves in the background, but don't execute until they are brought to the foreground). We've also established that some people have rose tinted memories of the piece of junk that was the UK spec'd N series such as the N95, and the totally hopeless N97. (Nokia did eventually release firmware updates to fix a lot of the stability problems, and fix some of the broken features, but UK operators dumped the devices too quickly, hence the updates never came to the UK (officially, obviously there were workarounds)). However, if a N9x meets your needs, you've found your next phone, and won't need an expensive contract


Symbian released touch after iPhone and Android were launched. Like Gooseberry, they realised too late that it was a necessity. Can't think of a Nokia phone that used it though. Actually, can't think of any phone that used it. Who would? Surely you'd use the (then free) Android, rather than pay for the lesser capable Symbian, and have higher development costs getting it to work with a device.

[TheBoy]

Silly me, N97 had touch...

[chrisgixer]

N97 came after n900 so Nokia was completely off my radar by then, as I'd moved onto crApple and its stability.

...suggesting the n95 should be my next phone is just reciculous, there's no point conversing if your just going to block every route forward.

1 Blutooth nobbled by apple
2 Phone app shite by apple, ans phone unable to mtask.
3 Fire and forget web page loading restricted
4 No java thanks to apple
5 Web viewing restrcited, some overly graphic site won't load at all crashing safari.
6 Video won't run in the background. (Pointless granted but not legit mtasking)
7 Copy and paste is awfull and won't work between some apps
8 Already loaded pages, say one with a part post, are re loaded again after visiting another tab. Work lost consequently. That really hacks me off! Probably related to 3 above.
9 can load a pic from messages but can't load a message thread to the pic.
10 did I mention safari crashing?



....to name a few. The way forward would be to find an os that fixes these. Is that Android?

First stage of improvement is fault finding. Then we know what to fix. Hence name the specifics mentioned earlier.

All except the java where never a problem for Symbian. It would however crash and cause similar effects and lost work as a result. The n900 especially was atrocious for crashing.


So, what's better the iOS? .....Andyroid?

[AndyRoid]

So, what's better the iOS? .....Andyroid?

I'm not sure which (if any) is the better OS, but 90% of the issues you have listed above are not a problem I have ever encountered on any Android powered handset.