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[Marks DTM Calib]

There is short term load available for peek use in the form of pumped storage but, we do have little spare continuous generating capacity.

Remember we do import about 5% (might be slightly lower these days) of our electricity needs from France thanks to our 2GW Bipole DC link and the spare juice in France is drying up......

[miggy]

No No, we will never be short of elec, its just some jobs worth with nothing else to do but write cr*p like that.

[FRE07962128]

No No, we will never be short of elec, its just some jobs worth with nothing else to do but write cr*p like that.

I'd love to believe you are right, but I am afraid the facts are very different with the actual situation getting worse for a number of years now.  We simply do not have enough generating capacity!

[miggy]

No No, we will never be short of elec, its just some jobs worth with nothing else to do but write cr*p like that.

I'd love to believe you are right, but I am afraid the facts are very different with the actual situation getting worse for a number of years now.  We simply do not have enough generating capacity!

Lets see, but i bet we all have electric in years to come....cost us a fortune but we will have it, infastructure would fall to pieces and that will never happen..........Never mind, it will soon be christmas

[HolyCount]

Worrying on the face of it -- but from experience I know not to generally believe what the Daily Mail prints

[bedders]

No No, we will never be short of elec, its just some jobs worth with nothing else to do but write cr*p like that.

I'm afraid we will.
The old Magnox nuclear stations are life expired & are being decommissioned at present, the big coal fired stations, like Drax, were built in the early seventies and it's doubful if we still have the engineering base to deal with a major boiler or turbine failure for example.
I have read that when/if new stations are built, engineers will have to be brought back from retirement for at least 5 years, to pass on their knowledge to the current crop, as we have lost our heavy engineering base/knowhow.
This is what happens when the market is King.
Our lead in clean burn technology (coal) was at the behest of Thatcher, sold to the Germans for a pittance, to teach the striking coal miners a lesson, now that was forward planning.  
 

[miggy]

Worrying on the face of it -- but from experience I know not to generally believe what the Daily Mail prints

  ....6 years ago there were reports that we would run out of the worlds resources of oil in 20 years.......pugwash, i work in the oil business and purchase base oils/crude etc from all over the world and we have at least 35 to 40 years left.

[Elite Pete]

Worrying on the face of it -- but from experience I know not to generally believe what the Daily Mail prints

  ....6 years ago there were reports that we would run out of the worlds resources of oil in 20 years.......pugwash, i work in the oil business and purchase base oils/crude etc from all over the world and we have at least 35 to 40 years left.

Thats OK then, me and my Omega will be on the road till im 83

[amigov6]

With all the scares about food (Edwina Currie) T bone steaks, property prices, crude oil by the barrel, global warming, food price increases & more & more & more.....etc......you all have two choices.
    1:- Worry & discuss.
    2:- Be shallow like me. I'm still alive & doing the same job 20yrs. later & we'll all be here worrying about something else in another 20yrs. albeit with a few more aches & pains but still here nonetheless.
    Such issues have gone on for generations & they will for many more with no more point than there is now.

[jereboam]

Worrying on the face of it -- but from experience I know not to generally believe what the Daily Mail prints

  ....6 years ago there were reports that we would run out of the worlds resources of oil in 20 years.......pugwash, i work in the oil business and purchase base oils/crude etc from all over the world and we have at least 35 to 40 years left.

That may well be the case, but do we really want to be using oil for electricity generation?  It has many much more valuable uses.  And given the current market shortfall/speculative free-for-all/whatever which is driving prices upwards at an unprecedented rate, how much would we have to pay for electricity from this source?

[bedders]

Worrying on the face of it -- but from experience I know not to generally believe what the Daily Mail prints

  ....6 years ago there were reports that we would run out of the worlds resources of oil in 20 years.......pugwash, i work in the oil business and purchase base oils/crude etc from all over the world and we have at least 35 to 40 years left.

The latest estimate was, I think, 40+ years for oil, and 60 odd for gas, which is all very well, but somewhere is needed to burn the damn stuff.
What a waste, when coal can be burnt relatively cleanly nowadays, with carbon capture also a possibility.
Drax (coal fired) is a 4000mw station, imagine the gas consumption required to replicate that ouput.

[FRE07962128]

Worrying on the face of it -- but from experience I know not to generally believe what the Daily Mail prints

  ....6 years ago there were reports that we would run out of the worlds resources of oil in 20 years.......pugwash, i work in the oil business and purchase base oils/crude etc from all over the world and we have at least 35 to 40 years left.

But at what price as it is getting harder and more expensive to extract from alternative oil fields? :-?

[FRE07962128]

Worrying on the face of it -- but from experience I know not to generally believe what the Daily Mail prints

  ....6 years ago there were reports that we would run out of the worlds resources of oil in 20 years.......pugwash, i work in the oil business and purchase base oils/crude etc from all over the world and we have at least 35 to 40 years left.

The latest estimate was, I think, 40+ years for oil, and 60 odd for gas, which is all very well, but somewhere is needed to burn the damn stuff.
What a waste, when coal can be burnt relatively cleanly nowadays, with carbon capture also a possibility.
Drax (coal fired) is a 4000mw station, imagine the gas consumption required to replicate that ouput.

Yes indeed, but the proposed, and desperately needed new coal fired power station at Kingsnorth, Kent, is now a MAJOR target for environmental protesters and so this project is obviously going to be seriously delayed!

[miggy]

Worrying on the face of it -- but from experience I know not to generally believe what the Daily Mail prints

  ....6 years ago there were reports that we would run out of the worlds resources of oil in 20 years.......pugwash, i work in the oil business and purchase base oils/crude etc from all over the world and we have at least 35 to 40 years left.

That may well be the case, but do we really want to be using oil for electricity generation?  It has many much more valuable uses.  And given the current market shortfall/speculative free-for-all/whatever which is driving prices upwards at an unprecedented rate, how much would we have to pay for electricity from this source?

Yeh, like oil changes on my miggy

[bedders]

It is the generation side which is badly needed. Just like the rest of this country, what we have is knackered and because, most if not all of the supply companies are in foreign hands, there is not the forward planning which we had in the days of a National body.
If the environmentalists think we can produce enough energy by blowing round a few windmills, rather than have large stations on base load, I would suggest the last person to leave, turns the lights out, oh they may already be out by then.