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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #30 on: 12 April 2014, 17:36:50 »

are the wheels new or how much miles you have used them ?


also the center bore play cant be felt by hand ..


one of my friends had a similiar problem and after trying/visiting several places I brought him to a friend and all 4 wheels had very slight buckles and need to be corrected..

Tyres have done 26k, still well within the legal limit.

Hunter machine didn't pick up any defects in tyres or rims.


approx 38-40 K kms..  tyres are at the end of their life..    but still my bet is on the wheels.. having problem at 60 mph is a classic balance problem..


can you have a balance with tyres on the car ?


my tyre shop balances my car at around 180-190 kms/hr (on the car) ( I admit its too risky)
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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #32 on: 12 April 2014, 18:03:34 »

are the wheels new or how much miles you have used them ?


also the center bore play cant be felt by hand ..


one of my friends had a similiar problem and after trying/visiting several places I brought him to a friend and all 4 wheels had very slight buckles and need to be corrected..

Tyres have done 26k, still well within the legal limit.

Hunter machine didn't pick up any defects in tyres or rims.


approx 38-40 K kms..  tyres are at the end of their life..    but still my bet is on the wheels.. having problem at 60 mph is a classic balance problem..


can you have a balance with tyres on the car ?


my tyre shop balances my car at around 180-190 kms/hr (on the car) ( I admit its too risky)

No-one seems to do that anymore around here.
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Taxi_Driver

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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #33 on: 12 April 2014, 18:14:01 »

The question is, why do they keep going out of balance?

Each time I've had them balanced, they've been OK for 500/600 miles.

I've jacked it up and can find no play anywhere, car has only done 26k.

I don't want to have an expensive 5 stud balance if the same thing happens again.

If as Chris suggested, tyre is slipping on the rim, that would mean all four are slipping, as I've swopped fronts to rears.

Rears do not go out of balance.

That shouldnt cost anymore.....all they do is change the centre balance adaptor to a studded adaptor  :y .....but not all tyre places have the adaptor....
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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #34 on: 12 April 2014, 18:45:51 »

The question is, why do they keep going out of balance?

Each time I've had them balanced, they've been OK for 500/600 miles.

I've jacked it up and can find no play anywhere, car has only done 26k.

I don't want to have an expensive 5 stud balance if the same thing happens again.

If as Chris suggested, tyre is slipping on the rim, that would mean all four are slipping, as I've swopped fronts to rears.

Rears do not go out of balance.

That shouldnt cost anymore.....all they do is change the centre balance adaptor to a studded adaptor  :y .....but not all tyre places have the adaptor....

The Hunter system is different to standard balancing systems.
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« Reply #35 on: 12 April 2014, 19:26:13 »

Can't get my head around this. When you take your wheels back to be re-balanced, do they check if they are out of balance and by how much? Tyres that have been balanced shouldn't be out again after 500 miles.
I mean, if I had a wheel balanced and it was out after 500, then the 'fitter' should be saying that there must be an external influence, esp. as it's probably on the same wheel.
This could be an absolute swine to sort out.
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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #36 on: 12 April 2014, 19:43:55 »

are the wheels new or how much miles you have used them ?


also the center bore play cant be felt by hand ..


one of my friends had a similiar problem and after trying/visiting several places I brought him to a friend and all 4 wheels had very slight buckles and need to be corrected..

Tyres have done 26k, still well within the legal limit.

Hunter machine didn't pick up any defects in tyres or rims.


approx 38-40 K kms..  tyres are at the end of their life..    but still my bet is on the wheels.. having problem at 60 mph is a classic balance problem..


can you have a balance with tyres on the car ?


my tyre shop balances my car at around 180-190 kms/hr (on the car) ( I admit its too risky)

No-one seems to do that anymore around here.




its also getting rare here..  :(  most shops now do it on machine and end with a crappy job
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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #37 on: 13 April 2014, 08:11:40 »

Can't get my head around this. When you take your wheels back to be re-balanced, do they check if they are out of balance and by how much? Tyres that have been balanced shouldn't be out again after 500 miles.
I mean, if I had a wheel balanced and it was out after 500, then the 'fitter' should be saying that there must be an external influence, esp. as it's probably on the same wheel.
This could be an absolute swine to sort out.

I hope not :(
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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #38 on: 13 April 2014, 09:08:56 »

Can't get my head around this. When you take your wheels back to be re-balanced, do they check if they are out of balance and by how much? Tyres that have been balanced shouldn't be out again after 500 miles.
I mean, if I had a wheel balanced and it was out after 500, then the 'fitter' should be saying that there must be an external influence, esp. as it's probably on the same wheel.
This could be an absolute swine to sort out.

I agree, wheels shouldnt go out of balance.....if the tyres slip on the rim, then they would be going flat as the air escapes....and its not something ive come accross tbh.
The only way i can see wheels going out of balance, is if you loose weights....i assume the wheels are alloy and the fitters are using stick on weights.....if so, then this is common to loose weights.

Its also worth checking that the fitters remove all the old weights first and just dont keep adding weights to the old ones already fitted.....that can cause problems  :y
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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #39 on: 13 April 2014, 09:17:30 »

Can't get my head around this. When you take your wheels back to be re-balanced, do they check if they are out of balance and by how much? Tyres that have been balanced shouldn't be out again after 500 miles.
I mean, if I had a wheel balanced and it was out after 500, then the 'fitter' should be saying that there must be an external influence, esp. as it's probably on the same wheel.
This could be an absolute swine to sort out.

I agree, wheels shouldnt go out of balance.....if the tyres slip on the rim, then they would be going flat as the air escapes....and its not something ive come accross tbh.
The only way i can see wheels going out of balance, is if you loose weights....i assume the wheels are alloy and the fitters are using stick on weights.....if so, then this is common to loose weights.

Its also worth checking that the fitters remove all the old weights first and just dont keep adding weights to the old ones already fitted.....that can cause problems  :y

All weights removed, inside of wheels cleaned, new weights added.
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chrisgixer

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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #40 on: 13 April 2014, 09:49:01 »

Just wondering, what tyres fitted? Presume still oe? As top of the range tyres need little balancing, rarely more than 30grams. Where as a linglong I have here has nearer 130 odd  and a strip of weights 6inches long.

Rim slip doesn't necessarily mean deflation. Any tyre will eventually slip if enough force is applied. Thing is within the realms of passenger cars, that amount of force should be well out of reach of insignia.

But what else could cause it?

Tyre slip. Unlikely to be factory fit related. Maybe a fault if aftermarket tyres fitted, and a faulty tyre soap used. A tyres seal could be a solution, like they used for corroded rims, to practically glue the tyre on.

Balance, as said it can't go out of balance unless an amount of volume has changed. (Unless its rim slip)

Something in the wheel. If its run flat there could be balls of rubber granules within, but that would be impossible to balance up in the first place. Loose tpms sensor perhaps? Are they a band type strapped to the wheel rim?
Ditto tyre Weld gunk.

Is it defo balanced correctly? Or is it something that taks a week or so to show up when finally a motorway trip shows the problem?

What was the error on the balancer when re checked? How far out ?
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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #42 on: 15 April 2014, 17:23:01 »

First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y

Better than it's ever been :y
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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #43 on: 15 April 2014, 18:16:50 »

First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y

Better than it's ever been :y
Good. Let's hope that's the end of it.
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Re: Insignia Wheel Balancing
« Reply #44 on: 15 April 2014, 18:49:23 »

First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y

Better than it's ever been :y

Done 600 miles yet?
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