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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #30 on: 16 June 2008, 14:45:48 »

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2.0 is more economical around town, but 2.5/3.0 on a run will do about 33 ish which is all the 2.0 will give back too.


I agree Dazzler :y I have just completed a round 250 mile trip to Thatcham (Berkshire) and back to Ashford (Kent) using the M20, M26, M25, M4 and A4.  Often travelling at 90-100, and on one long (emptyish) stretch of M20 at 130 mph. I averaged 65 mph for the total journey, and my 2.5 V6 was 'well used' but still returned 32mpg overall.  

I certainly would always go for either a 2.5/6 or 3.0/2 out of choice.  It is affordable  (my 1.6GL Toyota Estate was averaging 25 mpg when on a similar (maximum 120 mph) run. :y

Lizzie ZooooooooooooM, you naughty girl  ;D ;D ;D

Seems there is another side to her................. :-X


Too right matey, the rumours are true.   ;D ;D ;D

You horrible pair Skruntie and Mike! :P  Can't a girl enjoy a bit of speed once in a while (alright, every day!)? :-? :-?  It is not just the men who enjoy motoring you know!  Bring on the F1 girls! ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #31 on: 16 June 2008, 14:48:06 »

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Having said that, I've only ever had auto's and I now have a manual, I'll be interested to see if that's any better..

I reckon an auto could lose you more economy with a smaller engine. It spends more of its' time heavily loaded and on the torque converter where a bigger engine will remain locked up and have enough grunt to pull you along. That's my theory anyway. Be interesting to see what you find.

Kevin
Until you get lockup, autos are always at a disadvantage, and the longer gears add to that.  If an engine is underpowered, you're also (relatively) thrashing the nuts off it all the time...

Agreed ...small engines for heavy cars must work harder (higher rpms) to produce the same power and loose more energy by the total friction they face..


Yes, and once you also 'load on' the a/c - c/c then a smaller engine uses juice at an even faster rate! :'( :'(
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #32 on: 16 June 2008, 14:49:25 »

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You horrible pair Skruntie and Mike! :P  Can't a girl enjoy a bit of speed once in a while (alright, every day!)? :-? :-?  It is not just the men who enjoy motoring you know!  Bring on the F1 girls! ;D ;D ;D ;)


No chance of that, theres not time during a pit stop for females to have a wee to.....
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #33 on: 16 June 2008, 14:53:31 »

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You horrible pair Skruntie and Mike! :P  Can't a girl enjoy a bit of speed once in a while (alright, every day!)? :-? :-?  It is not just the men who enjoy motoring you know!  Bring on the F1 girls! ;D ;D ;D ;)


No chance of that, theres not time during a pit stop for females to have a wee to.....
or reapply makeup, and brush hair...
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #34 on: 16 June 2008, 14:58:48 »

The extra mirrors would do nothing for the aerodynamics package.
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #35 on: 16 June 2008, 15:00:56 »

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You horrible pair Skruntie and Mike! :P  Can't a girl enjoy a bit of speed once in a while (alright, every day!)? :-? :-?  It is not just the men who enjoy motoring you know!  Bring on the F1 girls! ;D ;D ;D ;)


No chance of that, theres not time during a pit stop for females to have a wee to.....
or reapply makeup, and brush hair...
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Now, now boys!!  Just because I am a lone female on here at the moment Mark and The Boy;  you just wait till Debs, Marie, and Maria (if no others!)  see this blatant peice of sexism! You'll be sorry! ;D ;D ;D ;)

Anyway, what is wrong with applying a bit of make up and brushing your hair when driving at speed?  What is the vanity mirror for in cars if this is so wrong? ::) ::)  We have to look our best for you all, even in a car wreck! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #36 on: 16 June 2008, 15:18:43 »

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Yes, and once you also 'load on' the a/c - c/c then a smaller engine uses juice at an even faster rate! :'( :'(

Not totally in agreement here.

What you have to consider is that a set of amount of energy is required to accelerate the vehicle weight, overcome wind resistance and operate the ancillaries and this is very much engine independent (excluding slight weight differences between the different power plants).

This amount of energy will relate to a set amount of fuel, the quantity will only vary based on the efficiency of the engine at the particular operating point.

And as we all know, more cc gives a flatter torque curve which gives a wider operating range and hence why the fuel consumption of the two aforementioned power plants will be similar despite the tendency to boot the V6 a little more (it is capable of using more fuel at peek operating conditions  :y)



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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #37 on: 16 June 2008, 15:25:24 »

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You horrible pair Skruntie and Mike! :P  Can't a girl enjoy a bit of speed once in a while (alright, every day!)? :-? :-?  It is not just the men who enjoy motoring you know!  Bring on the F1 girls! ;D ;D ;D ;)


No chance of that, theres not time during a pit stop for females to have a wee to.....
or reapply makeup, and brush hair...
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Now, now boys!!  Just because I am a lone female on here at the moment Mark and The Boy;  you just wait till Debs, Marie, and Maria (if no others!)  see this blatant peice of sexism! You'll be sorry! ;D ;D ;D ;)

Anyway, what is wrong with applying a bit of make up and brushing your hair when driving at speed?  What is the vanity mirror for in cars if this is so wrong? ::) ::)  We have to look our best for you all, even in a car wreck! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)

Us men call it a rear view mirror Lizzie. ::) ;D
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #38 on: 16 June 2008, 15:28:15 »

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You horrible pair Skruntie and Mike! :P  Can't a girl enjoy a bit of speed once in a while (alright, every day!)? :-? :-?  It is not just the men who enjoy motoring you know!  Bring on the F1 girls! ;D ;D ;D ;)


No chance of that, theres not time during a pit stop for females to have a wee to.....
or reapply makeup, and brush hair...
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Now, now boys!!  Just because I am a lone female on here at the moment Mark and The Boy;  you just wait till Debs, Marie, and Maria (if no others!)  see this blatant peice of sexism! You'll be sorry! ;D ;D ;D ;)

Anyway, what is wrong with applying a bit of make up and brushing your hair when driving at speed?  What is the vanity mirror for in cars if this is so wrong? ::) ::)  We have to look our best for you all, even in a car wreck! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)

Us men call it a rear view mirror Lizzie. ::) ;D


Ah....that's what it is called!  :o :o :o :o The last time I knew that was during my test in 1971!  I thought it was in an awkward place for checking your appearance!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #39 on: 16 June 2008, 18:02:15 »

Finding it harder to feed the kids, text etc. now i have a clutch to contend with!
Lizzie, the fellas are just jealous cos they can't multi task!
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #40 on: 16 June 2008, 19:19:38 »

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Finding it harder to feed the kids, text etc. now i have a clutch to contend with!
Lizzie, the fellas are just jealous cos they can't multi task!
 ;D

That's right LJay!  This is a very real weakness in their portfolio of abilities, the poor soles! That is why if woman  are in charge more gets done.

Still they (well most!) are very good at doing singular tasks, like THAT one thank God!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #41 on: 16 June 2008, 19:24:32 »

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Finding it harder to feed the kids, text etc. now i have a clutch to contend with!
Lizzie, the fellas are just jealous cos they can't multi task!
 ;D

That's right LJay!  This is a very real weakness in their portfolio of abilities, the poor soles! That is why if woman  are in charge more gets done.

Still they (well most!) are very good at doing singular tasks, like THAT one thank God!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Thats because us blokes do jobs properly, which takes 100% concentration, rather than several half-arsed jobs at once ;)
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #42 on: 16 June 2008, 19:28:54 »

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Yes, and once you also 'load on' the a/c - c/c then a smaller engine uses juice at an even faster rate! :'( :'(

Not totally in agreement here.

What you have to consider is that a set of amount of energy is required to accelerate the vehicle weight, overcome wind resistance and operate the ancillaries and this is very much engine independent (excluding slight weight differences between the different power plants).

This amount of energy will relate to a set amount of fuel, the quantity will only vary based on the efficiency of the engine at the particular operating point.

And as we all know, more cc gives a flatter torque curve which gives a wider operating range and hence why the fuel consumption of the two aforementioned power plants will be similar despite the tendency to boot the V6 a little more (it is capable of using more fuel at peek operating conditions  :y)


I think I know what you are getting at Mark, but I would argue my point in a simpler way:

In the USA we hired a Volvo (2.0ltr) and when we used the a/c the fuel needle fell dramatically fast, but when a/c turned off it did not.

Then we hired a 5.5ltr Ford Crown Prince Victoria, and using the a/c or not made absolutely no difference to fuel consumption.

I have found exactly the same situation with 2ltrs V. 3ltrs in the UK; in the former the fuel needle drops fast with a/c on, but in the 3 ltr it made little difference.

The moral of the fact is that the bigger capacity of the engine the smaller the  a/c drain of power represents on the overall power output of the engine. Thus on a big 3.0 ltr engine a/c may represent, say 10% power output drain, but on a 1.6 ltr engine it represents 18%.  Thus petrol consumption will be greater on the 1.6 when the a/c is on as oppossed to the 3ltr. :y
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Re: Is a 2.5 more economical than a 2.0?
« Reply #43 on: 16 June 2008, 19:31:48 »

And we all know what happens when women are in charge...

what was her name? Thatcher??

(joking, i actually think she was good but as most dont...)

a 2.5TD is more economical anyways. Atleast i hope so
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« Reply #44 on: 16 June 2008, 19:32:35 »

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Finding it harder to feed the kids, text etc. now i have a clutch to contend with!
Lizzie, the fellas are just jealous cos they can't multi task!
 ;D

That's right LJay!  This is a very real weakness in their portfolio of abilities, the poor soles! That is why if woman  are in charge more gets done.

Still they (well most!) are very good at doing singular tasks, like THAT one thank God!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Thats because us blokes do jobs properly, which takes 100% concentration, rather than several half-arsed jobs at once ;)

What, like Gordon Brown running the country?!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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