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[Andy B]

Try being a vulnerable road user (ie 2 wheels) around these idiots 

No thanks .......... it's bad enough on a proper engine powered bike 

[chrisgixer]

Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.

Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else?

Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
 Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.

I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though.

[Gaffers]

Try being a vulnerable road user (ie 2 wheels) around these idiots 

No thanks .......... it's bad enough on a proper engine powered bike 

ALl bikes were included in that message

[Kevin Wood]

Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.

Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else?

Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
 Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.

I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though.

So you never get irritated when you pull up at a roundabout and stop, only to find that the retard coming round is coming off at the previous exit, meaning you've had to stop for no reason?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.

Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else?

Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
 Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.

I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though.

Very true Chris. Indications by other motorists should NEVER be taken as a definite signal of their intentions. We must all wait and ensure their vehicle is actually going to travel in the direction of the signal. This has always been a rule with modern driving, and the Highway Code covers this very issue:

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You should also

watch out for signals given by other road users and proceed only when you are satisfied that it is safe
be aware that an indicator on another vehicle may not have been cancelled.

 

[05omegav6]

Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.

Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else?

Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
 Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.

I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though.

So you never get irritated when you pull up at a roundabout and stop, only to find that the retard coming round is coming off at the previous exit, meaning you've had to stop for no reason?

Lane position, and its proper application is as much a part of negotiating junctions as indicating imho...

[chrisgixer]

Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.

Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else?

Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
 Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.

I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though.

So you never get irritated when you pull up at a roundabout and stop, only to find that the retard coming round is coming off at the previous exit, meaning you've had to stop for no reason?

Noooo not me. Never never never

Although seriously, trusting indicators is as good a way to get caught out at a round about as any. Bikes make you learn. Quick. Road position is a much safer judge. Regardless of any flashing lights. Yellow red blue or any other colour. They're all out to get you. Trust me, they really are.

[the alarming man]

Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.

Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else?

Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
 Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.

I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though.

So you never get irritated when you pull up at a roundabout and stop, only to find that the retard coming round is coming off at the previous exit, meaning you've had to stop for no reason?

Lane position, and its proper application is as much a part of negotiating junctions as indicating imho...

Have to admit with Al here as if you were in correct lane / position in road a signal would only reinforce where you intend on heading

[Shackeng]

Much to my surprise it seems giving way on Roundabouts its completely optional..and it would appear even when you have decided you don't feel like Giving way and slam into another car at 30mph its perfectly acceptable.

In fact failing to give way...causing an accident (Not called Accidents now days...Now called Collisions) and then driving off Is just fine,as long as you return to the scene of the accident (no one seems to know what a reasonable time limit is) and give your details,you can then leave again before Police arrive and you have nothing to worry about.

Slight sarcasum...My wife was driving my Galaxy (Shame wasn't the Saab93) on way to work,enterd a roundabout (small one and you can see all entry/exits) with the intention of leaving on the third exit.

Sadly the bloke entering the roundabout didn't feel like giving way and slammed into wife as she was just passing the second exit...result was she bounced off the Roundabout and ended up past the third exit.

Other car drove off...wife hit the Horn and flashed her lights (Happened at 2045hrs) and matey came back after about 5 mins,by which time people had come to have a good old nosey.

The first thing he said to her was "Didn't you see me." my wife in a state of shock said yes she had,its then he said "Well why didn't you stop...! " followed by "I hope you have insurance".

Wifes phoned me and ive flew down to the collision and took his details and asked what happened,to say I was gobsmacked by his attitude is a major understatement.

He fully blames the wife...and states she should have given way to him...wouldn't except he has to give way to the right (Obviously assuming the other party is already on the roundabout).

Now this is the bit I find hard to accept...Police officer arrived just after the other drive left,asked if anyone was injured to which I said no and sent the wife home with neighbour who had taken myself and kids down,ive asked him will the other driver be getting a vist regards failing to give way and driving off.

Answer was a deffinate No...as he had returned (all be it some time after) and gave details and no one was injured it wasn't a Police matter,so failing to give way and driving off isnt a big deal then.?

Ive been down to report thye other driver yesterday as wife has (Genuine) whip lash type injures,Police said that now makes it serious enough for them to make an accident record,but they cant prosecute the other driver (or look into doing so) unless the insurance company instructs them to do so...

Insurance company basicly laughed and said WTF...so its an odd situation,wifes been rammed by some silly middle class duffer who states drivers give way to the left...Police say they cant act unless insurance company tells them to go after him and unless he admits liability the claim will be settled by my bloody insurance and Im liable for the excess.

The really scary thing is...what if that had been a Biker or god forbid a pushbike,id say the latter would have been a fatality,and this guy is driving around without a care in the world.

Bloody boiling...yes just a bit.

Disgraceful, I wish you luck with pursuing this. I hope your wife recovers well. We had an identical incident 25 years ago, and my wife, who was driving, still suffers from severe pain caused by whiplash, even though it was a side impact. Unfortunately, she agreed to settle for £1500 injury compensation thinking she would not suffer further after effects. Wrong! It has affected the rest of her life.

[Stuart30]

Thank you too all for input and Well wishes...its appreciated.

Insurance chap is coming to view the car tomorrow,to be fair the obvious damage isn't that bad..but who knows what's happened underneath.


My biggest concern is this chap (apart from terrible dress sense,blood red Cords,brogues and an aloof attitude) not knowing or refusing to believe the Give Way system.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has similar issues previous...I just hope next time its not a Two Wheeler he hits as im positive if it was a Cyclist they would be pedalling to heaven by now.

[The Sheriff]

Thank you too all for input and Well wishes...its appreciated.

Insurance chap is coming to view the car tomorrow,to be fair the obvious damage isn't that bad..but who knows what's happened underneath.


My biggest concern is this chap (apart from terrible dress sense,blood red Cords,brogues and an aloof attitude) not knowing or refusing to believe the Give Way system.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has similar issues previous...I just hope next time its not a Two Wheeler he hits as im positive if it was a Cyclist they would be pedalling to heaven by now.

He needs to hit a big, hairy-arsed chav in an old golf or something. It's impossible to remain aloof whilst picking up your teeth.

[Kevin Wood]

Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.

Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else?

Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
 Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.

I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though.

So you never get irritated when you pull up at a roundabout and stop, only to find that the retard coming round is coming off at the previous exit, meaning you've had to stop for no reason?

Lane position, and its proper application is as much a part of negotiating junctions as indicating imho...

Have to admit with Al here as if you were in correct lane / position in road a signal would only reinforce where you intend on heading

Exactly. Nowhere did I say that I just see an indicator and pull out, regardless of everything else. It appears people are reading things that aren't there.

It's one of the factors influencing that decision. I often find someone coming off at the exit before me, where the addition of an indicator would tip the decision in favour of me not waiting, yet they can't be @rsed.

[Crazycarzowner]

Police say they cant act unless insurance company tells them to go after him

Complete BOLLARDS!!!! pardoning my French!!!

I had a similar 'incident' that I attended to yesterday, vehicle pulled out on to a roundabout & twanged another car. It was clear who was at fault when I arrived and even though there were NO apparent injuries I stuck the offending driver on for a NDAC!

[ckz]

Front and rear facing camera on car.
Even in small bumbs allways ask for ambulance.
Later easy to claim.
And believe me, iam one of right of way in strict matter.
I would actually go to court and if have to pay myself to get the point and make a careless tosses don't matter what age suffer for his attitude,

Rule on roundabout right traffic first.
Never changed.
Just got lacked because fraudsters used it for claims.

[Stuart30]

Police say they cant act unless insurance company tells them to go after him

Complete BOLLARDS!!!! pardoning my French!!!

I had a similar 'incident' that I attended to yesterday, vehicle pulled out on to a roundabout & twanged another car. It was clear who was at fault when I arrived and even though there were NO apparent injuries I stuck the offending driver on for a NDAC!

That's good to hear Jason...for me failing to Give way is quite a big deal,surely at the very least it means your not paying attention or worse still you feel your onward journey is more important than other peoples safety.

If the insurance assessor comes to look at the car tomorrow and agrees its been hit by other party...would that be enough proof for the Police to follow this Collision with other driver,i just cannot get my head around the fact you can fail to give way and slam into someone potentially at 30mph and not even get spoken to about it.