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[Terbs]

The Russian Concord has been found.....

http://englishrussia.com/2014/09/08/hidden-tu-144-in-kazan-outskirts/

[chrisgixer]

Eyuk. Was it made in China?

[Sir Tigger KC]

That's bizarre!   

[Kevin Wood]

I think they tried to copy Concorde and then stuck extra bits on until it would fly.

Actually, it pipped Concorde to the post. It first flew before Concorde, and first flew supersonic before Concorde.

Turned out to be a bit crashy, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIWAI6GmQQ

I believe NASA were flying one not too long ago. Not sure if they still have it even.

[zirk]

I think they tried to copy Concorde and then stuck extra bits on until it would fly.

Actually, it pipped Concorde to the post. It first flew before Concorde, and first flew supersonic before Concorde.

Turned out to be a bit crashy, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIWAI6GmQQ

I believe NASA were flying one not too long ago. Not sure if they still have it even.

Seem to remember the Russian copy was Code Named Concordski and it keep crashing in test flights, seem to remember the flown one had small wings flaps just behind the cockpit to keep it stable.

wasnt the Pan Am one scrapped before it was tested and called something like the SS1 or SSP or something, all from memory going back to the late 60's early 70's. 

[cleggy]

I seem to remember at the time the Rusky's stole the plans some bits were missing and thus they had to improvise resulting in the air show crash, coupled with the fact they didn't get the breaking systems thus the reason for trailing a parachute to stop it.

[Kevin Wood]

Seem to remember the Russian copy was Code Named Concordski and it keep crashing in test flights, seem to remember the flown one had small wings flaps just behind the cockpit to keep it stable.

wasnt the Pan Am one scrapped before it was tested and called something like the SS1 or SSP or something, all from memory going back to the late 60's early 70's. 

Yep, Concorde's wing design was very ingenious, in that it was able to operate over a wide range of airspeed. Concorde used a vortex formed along the leading edge to provide better low speed performance.

This subtlety was probably not evident in the plans that made it to the USSR, so they needed "Canards" in order to provide some lift at the front of the aircraft for low speed flight. In fact, ISTR one of the 144s issues was that it still didn't have very good low speed performance so landing speed was even higher than Concorde's and it needed a very long runway and parachutes to stop it.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Great find terbert!!

Absolutely fascinating video.

You can see how flimsy it was, and how it's origins (copy of Concorde) are based in the 1960s.  No wonder it fell apart in the air!!

[LC0112G]

Stuff the civil spam - thats a Mig-25 next to it 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think they tried to copy Concorde and then stuck extra bits on until it would fly.

Actually, it pipped Concorde to the post. It first flew before Concorde, and first flew supersonic before Concorde.

Turned out to be a bit crashy, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIWAI6GmQQ

I believe NASA were flying one not too long ago. Not sure if they still have it even.

Seem to remember the Russian copy was Code Named Concordski and it keep crashing in test flights, seem to remember the flown one had small wings flaps just behind the cockpit to keep it stable.

wasnt the Pan Am one scrapped before it was tested and called something like the SS1 or SSP or something, all from memory going back to the late 60's early 70's. 

Yes Zirk, there was an American SST that reached the full design stage, with, if I remember correctly, at the time at least one mock up in Pan Am livery, and artist impressions of the same galore (rather like the "artist impression" of the Pan Am space shuttle in a 2001: A Space Odyssey!!).  However the environmentalist lobby took over and basicly closed the project down.  That of course spelt doom for our Concorde as the Americans would not let that European plane fly over the States when they could not do that themselves with their own SST!

Concorde, in truth, never recovered from that as it could never achieve it's full potential with build numbers making it a viable proposition. With only British and French taking delivery of a relative few Concorde's, the Americans had scuppered it!!
 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think they tried to copy Concorde and then stuck extra bits on until it would fly.

Actually, it pipped Concorde to the post. It first flew before Concorde, and first flew supersonic before Concorde.

Turned out to be a bit crashy, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIWAI6GmQQ

I believe NASA were flying one not too long ago. Not sure if they still have it even.

Seem to remember the Russian copy was Code Named Concordski and it keep crashing in test flights, seem to remember the flown one had small wings flaps just behind the cockpit to keep it stable.

wasnt the Pan Am one scrapped before it was tested and called something like the SS1 or SSP or something, all from memory going back to the late 60's early 70's. 

Yes Zirk, there was an American SST that reached the full design stage, with, if I remember correctly, at the time at least one mock up in Pan Am livery, and artist impressions of the same galore (rather like the "artist impression" of the Pan Am space shuttle in a [i]2001: A Space Odyssey[/i]!!).  However the environmentalist lobby took over and basicly closed the project down.  That of course spelt doom for our Concorde as the Americans would not let that European plane fly over the States when they could not do that themselves with their own SST!

Concorde, in truth, never recovered from that as it could never achieve it's full potential with build numbers making it a viable proposition. With only British and French taking delivery of a relative few Concorde's, the Americans had scuppered it!!

Great film and hard to believe that it was made way back in 1968.

[cem_devecioglu]

if you are curious about an event , read more for complete picture


http://tu144.tripod.com/history.html


although the design of the tu 144 very similiar to concorde,


controls, navigation ,engines were completely different .. and they completed in a shorter time as Kruschev dictated..


and to remind russians had the technology to land on the ground after turning from space where americans splash in ocean

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think they tried to copy Concorde and then stuck extra bits on until it would fly.

Actually, it pipped Concorde to the post. It first flew before Concorde, and first flew supersonic before Concorde.

Turned out to be a bit crashy, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIWAI6GmQQ

I believe NASA were flying one not too long ago. Not sure if they still have it even.

Seem to remember the Russian copy was Code Named Concordski and it keep crashing in test flights, seem to remember the flown one had small wings flaps just behind the cockpit to keep it stable.

wasnt the Pan Am one scrapped before it was tested and called something like the SS1 or SSP or something, all from memory going back to the late 60's early 70's. 

Yes Zirk, there was an American SST that reached the full design stage, with, if I remember correctly, at the time at least one mock up in Pan Am livery, and artist impressions of the same galore (rather like the "artist impression" of the Pan Am space shuttle in a [i]2001: A Space Odyssey[/i]!!).  However the environmentalist lobby took over and basicly closed the project down.  That of course spelt doom for our Concorde as the Americans would not let that European plane fly over the States when they could not do that themselves with their own SST!

Concorde, in truth, never recovered from that as it could never achieve it's full potential with build numbers making it a viable proposition. With only British and French taking delivery of a relative few Concorde's, the Americans had scuppered it!!

Great film and hard to believe that it was made way back in 1968.

Indeed Opti, it seems only like yesterday!!!

1968 was a great year musically, with fashion, with art, in film making, and of course producing I believe a great American muscle car, the Ford Mustang Fastback (with Steve McQueen driving it!!! )

[Jusme]

Yep, Concorde's wing design was very ingenious I remember when waiting to board looking at Concorde's wings and saying to my mate, 'there ain't any flaps, how the heck are we going to go up and down? Also the blooming wings are drooping'.. The pilot answered my worries shortly into the flight... the Ford Mustang FastbackI'm sure it was actually a Mustang Mach1 Lizzie...

[Lizzie_Zoom]

if you are curious about an event , read more for complete picture


http://tu144.tripod.com/history.html


although the design of the tu 144 very similiar to concorde,


controls, navigation ,engines were completely different .. and they completed in a shorter time as Kruschev dictated..


and to remind russians had the technology to land on the ground after turning from space where americans splash in ocean

An interesting article Cem!

Yes, the TU 144 was an inferior Concorde which perhaps should never have taken to the air. That is the danger of copying when you do not know all the finite details that you need to when building such a craft. Concorde was designed and built from scratch in the time it needed in a commercial, but regulated, society; the TU 144 was designed ( outwardly copied)  and built in the time dictated by political masters.  That was always the flaw with communism and especially the Russian variety.

In many ways it was fortunate it broke up in the air at an air show, empty of passengers.  If it had been rushed into service, as it had been rushed into production, who knows how many lives could have been lost.