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[Vamps]

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What? You mean no silly child seats and booster cushions for your little ones .   ....

another stupid bit of legislation. You drop your kids off at swimming/football/etc & you can't get back for what ever reason. You ask your mate if he/she will pick them up for you ...... no booster seat - unless Little Johnny always carries his booster seat with him - and is a booster actually needed in the front passenger seat of an Omega where the seat lifts up & the belt slides down the B post?

In certain circumstances I am exempt from using baby / booster seats............

But Yes Andy, it was a pain when Miss Vamps was little and a parent may take 2 or 3 to an activity and another parent pick them up, we used to have to call round to swap them over..........

[TheBoy]

Wife is in nursery and daughter primary.

I had them both down as a little bit older, B

[Rog]

As a child, it was always said that I suffered from extreme car sickness. I'd throw up even on quite short car journeys. Years later I realized that it wasn't car sickness, it was my dad puffing on his pipe and my mum smoking fags with the windows closed.

We all know about unenforced/unenforcable legislation, seat belts, phone use etc, but surely the very exisitence of legislation must to some extent act as a deterent ? At least the option is there to prosecute ? At least it will raise awareness of the problem ? Or is it better not to have this legislation and simply do nothing at all ?

I ache with pity whenever I see miserable kids in the back of a car smothered in Mum or Dads stupidity and/or selfishness (take your pick). If legislation helps just a tiny bit, then that's fine with me. The sooner the better.

By the way, I used to smoke, but NEVER in the presence of my kids either in the car or at home or anywhere.

[tigers_gonads]

As a child, it was always said that I suffered from extreme car sickness. I'd throw up even on quite short car journeys. Years later I realized that it wasn't car sickness, it was my dad puffing on his pipe and my mum smoking fags with the windows closed.

We all know about unenforced/unenforcable legislation, seat belts, phone use etc, but surely the very exisitence of legislation must to some extent act as a deterent ? At least the option is there to prosecute ? At least it will raise awareness of the problem ? Or is it better not to have this legislation and simply do nothing at all ?

I ache with pity whenever I see miserable kids in the back of a car smothered in Mum or Dads stupidity and/or selfishness (take your pick). If legislation helps just a tiny bit, then that's fine with me. The sooner the better.

By the way, I used to smoke, but NEVER in the presence of my kids either in the car or at home or anywhere.

Yup, my old man used to smoke cigars in the car all the time until I was about 15 years old.
He stopped around 1979 after he watched lung cancer destroy (via a medical opps up) his mother and as if by magic, my travel sickness stopped over night

[Diamond Black Geezer]

EDIT: OOh eck - appear to have written an essay..... 

I think 'yes, there should be a law against this' but to be honest it seems pretty stupid, in so far as if you're an adult, you know what you're doing to your lungs - maybe you'll go at 40, maybe you'll die at 90 from being hit on the head by a falling signs saying 'Health and Safety Warning - Please mind you head' but surely any adult knows that smoking isn't a 'nice' or 'good for you' passtime. So literally weening your kids onto it from birth is just wrong. The parents who know this surely would never do that in front of their kids. The parents that are actually so moronic to think it's 'ok' won't give a rat's backside about some piece of legislation.

Presumably introduced by the same people that invented speed bumps - slow everyone down, apart from the Twockers. Police can't chase them unless they want to fill in a dozen forms indenting for a new exhaust for the pursuit car... and the rest of us just wear brakes & suspension out quicker - and god only knows what extra pollution / tonnes of hyrocarbons = asthma in towns and cities speed bumps have resulted in the last 20 years...

Namby pamby legislation that won't deter the real 'aggressors' a smidge, and won't touch anyone else, on the grounds that no-one with half a brain or more would subject their kids to prolonged fag smoke anyway. They could have put the wages they spend pushing this and other pointless bits of 'law' through in a kitty, and when it reached the top, finished the MR4A program. Deterring Nuclear Russian Subs a damn sight more important than deterring Jade and Olly from lighting up near little baby Marlboro.

[The Sheriff]

Yes. A well-reasoned argument

Except, maybe, for the MR4A bit.....

[Kevin Wood]

... The parents who know this surely would never do that in front of their kids. The parents that are actually so moronic to think it's 'ok' won't give a rat's backside about some piece of legislation...

Exactly. We have sleepwalked into a situation where we have aforementioned trailer trash, with no common sense or moral fibre and now we're trying to legislate it into them. It isn't going to work.

[Shackeng]

What a daft idea by the do-gooders.

I'm all for banning drivers from smoking, in the same way I'm not allowed to scoff a pie whilst driving.  But "to protect the children", what a bunch of namby pamby, trailer trash mongrels we're turning into 

However do you manage then Jaime? Do you take along a small person to feed you pies?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The old red buses were the worst for smoke when I was a nipper.

There used to be constant 'fug' of smoke.

We just accepted it.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The old red buses were the worst for smoke when I was a nipper.

There used to be constant 'fug' of smoke.

We just accepted it.

Luckily most us are more enlightened these days, but some still need the 'big stick' to change their ways. 

[aaronjb]

Luckily most us are more enlightened these days, but some still need the 'big stick' to change their ways. 

Unfortunately in this case I think the 'big stick' will prove to be rather more 'limp stick'..

[Rog]

... The parents who know this surely would never do that in front of their kids. The parents that are actually so moronic to think it's 'ok' won't give a rat's backside about some piece of legislation...

Exactly. We have sleepwalked into a situation where we have aforementioned trailer trash, with no common sense or moral fibre and now we're trying to legislate it into them. It isn't going to work.

Very probably not. Particularly around where I live. But is that an excuse for not even trying ?

The oiks who smoke in the car with kids have a choice about whether to do it or not. The kids have no choice. Do we simply say that they don't matter as they are just "oik-kids" ? Some views here seem to suggest exactly that.

[Diamond Black Geezer]

I'm definitely in favour of it being both seen as wrong, as well as being legislated again - in principle. It's just that I'm not sure how many people would abide by it - basically none.

Not in any way suggesting the kids aren't worth it, of course, but living and working in Grimsby/Cleethorpes I see first hand every day kids being called pretty disgraceful names by their own parents, kids walking behind, smothered in the fag smoke wake of their parent, kids politely asking a pretty intelligent question, only to be verbally or physically beaten down and told to shut up, mum's busy texting a fit lad etc.. And sadly, it's very difficult to tell people how to raise their own children, and tragically it's their right to bring their kids up how they want. Also, see no reason why this argument shouldnt/doesn't apply just as much to middle / upper class wannanbe towie/wag types in their Range Rooneys puffing on cigars etc...

Intelligence/stupidity has no class distinction.  It's the same middle-class vegan(apart from nice tasting meat, obviously) types who read one article on google, and then conclude their kids aren't going to get vaccinated, who are causing just as much/more disease than the 'wave of foreigners' coming into the country un-vaccinated. 

Oh, I feel so much better about the world! 

Lets all just hide in our Omegas, click the door pins down and make sure the air is on recirculate mode!! 

[Auto Addict]

Can't understand why anyone would want to smoke in their car, or even their house, for that matter.

I don't.

[05omegav6]

Luckily most us are more enlightened these days, but some still need the 'big stick' to change their ways. 

Unfortunately in this case I think the 'big stick' will prove to be rather more 'limp stick'..

Job for Stemo then