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[Andy H]

Knock for knock, IMHO.

Lorry driver could have negotiated the turning better, I'm sure, but there are times when a large vehicle has to take a bit more road to manoeuvre, so that's by the by.

He surely can't have failed to notice an approaching biker as he turned in? And the biker can't have failed to notice a lorry completely blocking his path from some distance back?

Why then did the biker proceed into a part of road that was clearly about to be occupied by lorry, and the lorry press forward without thinking "where did that biker disappear to?".

Was it that obvious?

[biggriffin]

There are a few comments from non drivers in this thread.
  The truck driver started to turn left and took the wider turn to avoid the pushchair, ha should have stopped and allowed the pushchair to go were it wanted to go,then completed his turn.If he had been taught correctly,pedestrians,especially with and including children have right of way at all times.
The numbty on the bike could have stopped,
 The worst manoeuvre in a hgv is a left turn into a smaller road,
His road position before turning left should have been,over to the right then turn left,
As Mr wood has said both at fault,
If police had attended, the truck driver could have been prosecuted for due care and attention,and the biker given a word about reading the road.
Now I be quite.

[05omegav6]

For those who have never sat in the drivers seat of a truck...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9E1_1M-qhU

Pause it at 8 seconds and you'll get a fair idea of the view down the road that the truck was turning into, namely the quarterlight being almost fully obscured by the mirror assembly...

[Gaffers]

For those who have never sat in the drivers seat of a truck...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9E1_1M-qhU

Pause it at 8 seconds and you'll get a fair idea of the view down the road that the truck was turning into, namely the quarterlight being almost fully obscured by the mirror assembly...

If the driver knows that then why is he not taking the corner at a safer speed?

[05omegav6]

Fair point well made...

But... NWS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqmM74VBltY ...

[Lazydocker]

There are a few comments from non drivers in this thread.
  The truck driver started to turn left and took the wider turn to avoid the pushchair, ha should have stopped and allowed the pushchair to go were it wanted to go,then completed his turn.If he had been taught correctly,pedestrians,especially with and including children have right of way at all times.
The numbty on the bike could have stopped,
 The worst manoeuvre in a hgv is a left turn into a smaller road,
His road position before turning left should have been,over to the right then turn left,
As Mr wood has said both at fault,
If police had attended, the truck driver could have been prosecuted for due care and attention,and the biker given a word about reading the road.
Now I be quite.

Just a slight correction (because I agree with most of this)... He didn't take the wide line to avoid the pedestrian, he took the wide line to avoid the pavement, which is completely correct

Definitely knock for knock... And if the motorcycle rider tries submitting the video as evidence it will strengthen the case of the other insurers

BTW, my opinions are formed both as a HGV driver and as a Motor Bicyclist