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[Vamps]

If only.............

[stuart30]

Just think we could start our very own vigulantie group......

Omega owner road warriors.

Righting wrongs all over the uk (well ok with in 15 mile radius of home for the 3ltr boys) hoodies....yobbo"s and ford drivers would be scared to set foot on the street at night.

Oh its been a long night......

[JueV6]

and YOBS shout" I know my rights, You've got a duty of care as it's YOUR job"

when i was a YOOF a clip round the ear meant something, NOW it's "thats assault, I'm gonna sue you"


 

[JamesV6CDX]

and YOBS shout" I know my rights, You've got a duty of care as it's YOUR job"

when i was a YOOF a clip round the ear meant something, NOW it's "thats assault, I'm gonna sue you"


 

By duty of care do you mean Police involved in the situation, or members of public?

I fully understand what you're saying, but in theory the law states that if in danger, you can use reasonable force. If for example you were under attack, then striking your attacker in the neck to incapacitate him/her would be considered reasonable force and would not constitute an offence in those circumstances.

If they are likely to be a considerable risk to other Members of Public or Police Officers then officers can deploy CS gas and restrain the suspect using a manner of techniques, and as long as there is clear justification as to why this had to happen, the offender's rights have not been breached

[JueV6]

The answer is simple.......

Group of yobs....gallon petrol....petrol poured over yobs......petrol lit.

Firemen stand back and say ""Sorry boys you just smashed up are last hose.""

Now that would leave a lasting impression.

thats what I meant

[stuart30]

and YOBS shout" I know my rights, You've got a duty of care as it's YOUR job"

when i was a YOOF a clip round the ear meant something, NOW it's "thats assault, I'm gonna sue you"


 

I fully understand what you're saying, but in theory the law states that if in danger, you can use reasonable force. If for example you were under attack, then striking your attacker in the neck to incapacitate him/her would be considered reasonable force and would not constitute an offence in those circumstances.

If they are likely to be a considerable risk to other Members of Public or Police Officers then they can be CS gassed and restrained using a manner of techniques, and as long as there is clear justification as to why this had to happen, the offender's rights have not been breached

All very well in theory James but alas it doesnt work like that.

Mums ex was virtually toe to toe with her screaming he was going to rape/batter/kill her spitting as he shouted then lunged for her.

I step in use my considerable bulk to restrain him using minimal force necessary and get stuck in a cell for my trouble oh and a 5 year caution.

[JueV6]

No James, I believe that due to the Job description of our FANTASTIC emergency services, The duty of care is incorperated in to it.

As Joe Public, If you stop at an accident and give help/support, then you are bound by the duty of care.

Long time since i had to use it, so things may have moved alittle

[psychnurse]

Common law can still be applied to any situation, as can C&R techniques if you are trained to use them and have the capacity to make the decision to use it. Unfortunatly most paramedics are not, but, there are trails being carried out across the county. Blackpool i a pioneer in having cnr paramedics and the initial research shows a 70% reduction in assults and violence.... good.... but a shame it came to this !

[sir moanalot]

these lowlife scum drive the law abiding people round the bend (hence one reason for my name an logo) but its these wet lettuce governments that are worse by being soft on this "long time now" behaviour.
and after a year of constant stabbing murders Gordon Brown has only NOW spoke out about dealing with it (probably be to reduce dangerous weapon down from 10" blade to 8"), or decide to put a tax on dangerous weapons-
 a gun above 1.7 grams of carbon per 100 shots £100 per year
 a knife bought before 2001 is less than a newer one
 a dirty bomb is twice as much tax as a intelligent one.
 cross bows are eco friendly so are not taxed

[Gaffers]

Maybe we should start using one of these

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[Olympia5776]

I watched it too.
Blame the legal profession and the justice system.Lawyers seeking to create precedents and an totally ineffectual court sytem.
I cursed the minister for "youf " who couldn't hide his pleasure in banning the mosquito device that produced a high frequency noise only audible to people below the age of 21 .This was used to move on the low life making peoples life an absolute misery up and down the country.
What happend to the short ,sharp shock treatment suggested years ago.
I'm extremely fortunate living in an area that just doesn't have a problem with vandalism but on my trips back to Scotland and London I am absolutley disgusted with the total lack of control and justice  meted out to these ferel gangs of youths .How can you instil a respect for the law if it's seen as ineffective and frankly laughable.
I've watched the steady creep of the liberal do gooders for too long now and no matter how you cut it it's just not getting better or safer for the ordinary law abiding person out there .
Whoooww .... now I have to go and sit in a dark room and listen to my running water cd...........

[TheBoy]

She says I'm getting more like Meldrew every day

Oddly, I don't seem to suffer the same 'rage' as I used to, and am disappointed at work that I am doing all the desk thumping and shouting at the management, rather than the youngsters.

But my patience with people diminishes with age, no doubt